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		<title>By: Night Train</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/18/crime-fighters/#comment-228933</link>
		<dc:creator>Night Train</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few months back, the police chief of Philadelphia asked for 10,000 black men to come forward to patrol the streets to reduce murder and other crimes.  Saturday, thousands of black men showed up to volunteer and sign up for training.  If these men stick with it, this could have a significant impact on crime in Philadelphia.  It sure beats praying as a weapon in the war on crime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few months back, the police chief of Philadelphia asked for 10,000 black men to come forward to patrol the streets to reduce murder and other crimes.  Saturday, thousands of black men showed up to volunteer and sign up for training.  If these men stick with it, this could have a significant impact on crime in Philadelphia.  It sure beats praying as a weapon in the war on crime.</p>
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		<title>By: Random Name</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/18/crime-fighters/#comment-228585</link>
		<dc:creator>Random Name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 15:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/18/crime-fighters/#comment-228585</guid>
		<description>#14

&lt;i&gt;One is the loneliest number that you'll ever do
&lt;i&gt;Two can be as bad as one, its the loneliest number since the number one&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

Maybe that's why there is a trinity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#14</p>
<p><i>One is the loneliest number that you&#8217;ll ever do<br />
</i><i>Two can be as bad as one, its the loneliest number since the number one</i></p>
<p>Maybe that&#8217;s why there is a trinity.</p>
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		<title>By: Night Train</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/18/crime-fighters/#comment-228073</link>
		<dc:creator>Night Train</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 05:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/18/crime-fighters/#comment-228073</guid>
		<description>Nashville, Music City USA, may have to change its name to Murder City USA, judging from this article in The Tennessean, which says violent crime is out of control.  Maybe they should try hiring some Southern Gospel quartets to put on free concerts in the most violent areas.  

http://tinyurl.com/229ngt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nashville, Music City USA, may have to change its name to Murder City USA, judging from this article in The Tennessean, which says violent crime is out of control.  Maybe they should try hiring some Southern Gospel quartets to put on free concerts in the most violent areas.  </p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/229ngt" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/229ngt</a></p>
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		<title>By: Night Train</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/18/crime-fighters/#comment-228071</link>
		<dc:creator>Night Train</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 04:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/18/crime-fighters/#comment-228071</guid>
		<description>A few years back, some sentimental evangelical dogooder in Philly fasted for 40 days to fight violent crime.  You can read about how well that worked in the article below from CNN.  Long story short, it didn't work, and violent crime in Philly is worse than ever.  I can think of no reason to expect Orlando's equally silly prayer campaign to have any better results.

&lt;blockquote&gt;PHILADELPHIA, Pennsylvania (CNN) -- On the streets of Philadelphia's toughest neighborhoods, just trying to get ahead can get you killed.

"You got a good-looking girlfriend, you're going to get shot; someone wants her," said 17-year-old Andre, who asked his last name not be used for this article.

"If you're getting a little money, you're going to get shot -- someone wants that. Any way you look at it, it's just a bad situation."

Andre is caught up in the tough life on the streets of Philadelphia's Southside neighborhood. At 13, he watched his brother get shot and killed in front of his home by another teenager. By 15, he was wanted for two counts of armed robbery and theft.

"It makes you feel stronger, powerful, a bigger man," he said of having a gun. "You even walk differently when you have a gun on you."

He and others like him are the new face of violence in Philadelphia -- a younger, harder generation that lives and dies by the gun. Though it's spread throughout the city, the problem of youth violence is most acute in the southern, southwestern and northern parts.

Over the past couple of years, Philadelphia's murder rate reached highs not seen since the 1980s, according to the Philadelphia Police Department. So far this year, more than 315 people have been killed, a pace of well over a murder a day, police said. That's a higher rate, according to FBI statistics, than much larger cities like Chicago, Los Angeles, and New York.

But Philadelphia's situation is different today from years past in that more and more of the killers are teenagers, according to the Philadelphia Police Department and the Philadelphia District Attorney's office.

"They just shoot at anything and everybody, without even looking," said Shawn Banks, a former drug dealer and gang member. Now in his 30s, he said the new generation that rules the streets is made up of kids who shoot first and never consider the consequences.

"They [are] not respecting themselves and they don't have any value for human life," he said.

Nineteen percent of those held at Philadelphia's overcrowded juvenile detention center, The Youth Study Center, are guilty of committing violent crimes. This is in addition to those juveniles serving time at a nearby adult facility for more serious violent crimes like murder. Nearly one in four juveniles at the center become repeat offenders.

Staff members at the youth facility said whenever a teenager makes headlines, chances are it's someone they know.

Helping kids at the center can be difficult, according to some.

"Maybe they're here for 9 -12 months, but if they spent 13 years in an environment that maybe isn't good and has a bad influence on them, you're going to lean on those 13 years," said counselor Nelson Walker.

But the office of Philadelphia Mayor John Street said the city works hard to reach high-risk kids.

"We are not going to deny that we have a problem here," said Joe Grace, spokesman for the mayor's office. "And we work aggressively to work with young kids who we consider high risk."

Grace touts the Philadelphia anti-violence, anti-drug program, which targets kids who have been through the justice system and are on probation. The city tries to help them avoid becoming repeat offenders.

As a caseworker meeting on a daily basis with juvenile offenders, Shondell Revell knows what the streets can do to a young person.

"These kids are hard, because their neighborhoods are hard," he said. "They don't see the other side of life."

Reaching out to younger siblings of juvenile criminals is particularly important to stopping the cycle of violence, said Revell.

But Andre says the pull of violent street life is strong and that offenders often end up going back to the life they knew in order to survive.

"Shooting, stabbing, killing, whatever it is -- whatever you gotta do to survive," he said.

"Anything goes -- anything."&lt;/blockquote&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few years back, some sentimental evangelical dogooder in Philly fasted for 40 days to fight violent crime.  You can read about how well that worked in the article below from CNN.  Long story short, it didn&#8217;t work, and violent crime in Philly is worse than ever.  I can think of no reason to expect Orlando&#8217;s equally silly prayer campaign to have any better results.</p>
<blockquote><p>PHILADELPHIA, Pennsylvania (CNN) &#8212; On the streets of Philadelphia&#8217;s toughest neighborhoods, just trying to get ahead can get you killed.</p>
<p>&#8220;You got a good-looking girlfriend, you&#8217;re going to get shot; someone wants her,&#8221; said 17-year-old Andre, who asked his last name not be used for this article.</p>
<p>&#8220;If you&#8217;re getting a little money, you&#8217;re going to get shot &#8212; someone wants that. Any way you look at it, it&#8217;s just a bad situation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Andre is caught up in the tough life on the streets of Philadelphia&#8217;s Southside neighborhood. At 13, he watched his brother get shot and killed in front of his home by another teenager. By 15, he was wanted for two counts of armed robbery and theft.</p>
<p>&#8220;It makes you feel stronger, powerful, a bigger man,&#8221; he said of having a gun. &#8220;You even walk differently when you have a gun on you.&#8221;</p>
<p>He and others like him are the new face of violence in Philadelphia &#8212; a younger, harder generation that lives and dies by the gun. Though it&#8217;s spread throughout the city, the problem of youth violence is most acute in the southern, southwestern and northern parts.</p>
<p>Over the past couple of years, Philadelphia&#8217;s murder rate reached highs not seen since the 1980s, according to the Philadelphia Police Department. So far this year, more than 315 people have been killed, a pace of well over a murder a day, police said. That&#8217;s a higher rate, according to FBI statistics, than much larger cities like Chicago, Los Angeles, and New York.</p>
<p>But Philadelphia&#8217;s situation is different today from years past in that more and more of the killers are teenagers, according to the Philadelphia Police Department and the Philadelphia District Attorney&#8217;s office.</p>
<p>&#8220;They just shoot at anything and everybody, without even looking,&#8221; said Shawn Banks, a former drug dealer and gang member. Now in his 30s, he said the new generation that rules the streets is made up of kids who shoot first and never consider the consequences.</p>
<p>&#8220;They [are] not respecting themselves and they don&#8217;t have any value for human life,&#8221; he said.</p>
<p>Nineteen percent of those held at Philadelphia&#8217;s overcrowded juvenile detention center, The Youth Study Center, are guilty of committing violent crimes. This is in addition to those juveniles serving time at a nearby adult facility for more serious violent crimes like murder. Nearly one in four juveniles at the center become repeat offenders.</p>
<p>Staff members at the youth facility said whenever a teenager makes headlines, chances are it&#8217;s someone they know.</p>
<p>Helping kids at the center can be difficult, according to some.</p>
<p>&#8220;Maybe they&#8217;re here for 9 -12 months, but if they spent 13 years in an environment that maybe isn&#8217;t good and has a bad influence on them, you&#8217;re going to lean on those 13 years,&#8221; said counselor Nelson Walker.</p>
<p>But the office of Philadelphia Mayor John Street said the city works hard to reach high-risk kids.</p>
<p>&#8220;We are not going to deny that we have a problem here,&#8221; said Joe Grace, spokesman for the mayor&#8217;s office. &#8220;And we work aggressively to work with young kids who we consider high risk.&#8221;</p>
<p>Grace touts the Philadelphia anti-violence, anti-drug program, which targets kids who have been through the justice system and are on probation. The city tries to help them avoid becoming repeat offenders.</p>
<p>As a caseworker meeting on a daily basis with juvenile offenders, Shondell Revell knows what the streets can do to a young person.</p>
<p>&#8220;These kids are hard, because their neighborhoods are hard,&#8221; he said. &#8220;They don&#8217;t see the other side of life.&#8221;</p>
<p>Reaching out to younger siblings of juvenile criminals is particularly important to stopping the cycle of violence, said Revell.</p>
<p>But Andre says the pull of violent street life is strong and that offenders often end up going back to the life they knew in order to survive.</p>
<p>&#8220;Shooting, stabbing, killing, whatever it is &#8212; whatever you gotta do to survive,&#8221; he said.</p>
<p>&#8220;Anything goes &#8212; anything.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Night Train</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/18/crime-fighters/#comment-228060</link>
		<dc:creator>Night Train</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 04:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/18/crime-fighters/#comment-228060</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;I believe it will work;&lt;/i&gt;

Well, if it doesn't, they can always try speaking in tongues.

&lt;i&gt;God can do anything.&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, he can.  He created the world.  But he's not going to do what we should be doing for ourselves.  If your 14 year old son didn't like tying his shoes because bending over was too hard, and he started loudly and incessantly begging you to tie them for him, would you do it?  


&lt;i&gt;I believe we’ll see a difference.&lt;/i&gt;

I believe we won't.  Care to check back in 6-12 months and see who's right?

&lt;i&gt;Very encouraging.&lt;/i&gt;

Not really.  Just dumb.  And pathetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I believe it will work;</i></p>
<p>Well, if it doesn&#8217;t, they can always try speaking in tongues.</p>
<p><i>God can do anything.</i></p>
<p>Yes, he can.  He created the world.  But he&#8217;s not going to do what we should be doing for ourselves.  If your 14 year old son didn&#8217;t like tying his shoes because bending over was too hard, and he started loudly and incessantly begging you to tie them for him, would you do it?  </p>
<p><i>I believe we’ll see a difference.</i></p>
<p>I believe we won&#8217;t.  Care to check back in 6-12 months and see who&#8217;s right?</p>
<p><i>Very encouraging.</i></p>
<p>Not really.  Just dumb.  And pathetic.</p>
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		<title>By: trr</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/18/crime-fighters/#comment-227884</link>
		<dc:creator>trr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 20:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/18/crime-fighters/#comment-227884</guid>
		<description>#10
of course not prime. two is the only even prime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#10<br />
of course not prime. two is the only even prime.</p>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/18/crime-fighters/#comment-227584</link>
		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 05:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/18/crime-fighters/#comment-227584</guid>
		<description>Maybe someone will counter with a prayer for MORE crime...what will god do then? OUCH. What will you think of prayer if it doesn't work and crime actually stays the same or goes up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe someone will counter with a prayer for MORE crime&#8230;what will god do then? OUCH. What will you think of prayer if it doesn&#8217;t work and crime actually stays the same or goes up.</p>
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		<title>By: EYG</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/18/crime-fighters/#comment-227576</link>
		<dc:creator>EYG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 04:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A hearty Amen.
I live right near Orlando and had no idea about this prayer effort.
I believe it will work; God can do anything.
I believe we'll see a difference. Very encouraging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A hearty Amen.<br />
I live right near Orlando and had no idea about this prayer effort.<br />
I believe it will work; God can do anything.<br />
I believe we&#8217;ll see a difference. Very encouraging.</p>
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		<title>By: Random Name</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/18/crime-fighters/#comment-227563</link>
		<dc:creator>Random Name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 03:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/18/crime-fighters/#comment-227563</guid>
		<description>Even even even even.

Though not prime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even even even even.</p>
<p>Though not prime.</p>
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		<title>By: rdean</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/18/crime-fighters/#comment-227551</link>
		<dc:creator>rdean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 03:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/10/18/crime-fighters/#comment-227551</guid>
		<description>It worked against the Nazis and the Japanese.  That and lot's of guns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It worked against the Nazis and the Japanese.  That and lot&#8217;s of guns.</p>
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