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		<title>By: musing</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/11/17/debate-debacle/#comment-240867</link>
		<dc:creator>musing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 00:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>outkast post 33,

now perhaps I am confused, but when I did a web search I believe I found the following which suggest that there were no WMD in Iraq at the tinme of the invasion:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/06/iraq.wmd.report/

http://www.carnegieendowment.org/publications/index.cfm?fa=view&#38;id=1435

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/01/12/wmd.search/

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB80/

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/report/2004/isg-final-report/

So I have done a fair amount of searching for information to support your model that:

1)  there were WMD in Iraq at the time of the U.S. invasion

2)  they were transported to Iran

without luck.

Can you provide links to your material?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>outkast post 33,</p>
<p>now perhaps I am confused, but when I did a web search I believe I found the following which suggest that there were no WMD in Iraq at the tinme of the invasion:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/06/iraq.wmd.report/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/06/iraq.wmd.report/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.carnegieendowment.org/publications/index.cfm?fa=view&amp;id=1435" rel="nofollow">http://www.carnegieendowment.org/publications/index.cfm?fa=view&amp;id=1435</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/01/12/wmd.search/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/01/12/wmd.search/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB80/" rel="nofollow">http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB80/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/report/2004/isg-final-report/" rel="nofollow">http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/report/2004/isg-final-report/</a></p>
<p>So I have done a fair amount of searching for information to support your model that:</p>
<p>1)  there were WMD in Iraq at the time of the U.S. invasion</p>
<p>2)  they were transported to Iran</p>
<p>without luck.</p>
<p>Can you provide links to your material?</p>
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		<title>By: hrw</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/11/17/debate-debacle/#comment-240862</link>
		<dc:creator>hrw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 00:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/11/17/debate-debacle/#comment-240862</guid>
		<description>Just recently CBS's 60 minutes ran a report on Omar Khadr, a Canadian, and used video tape which the courts had decided that it was could not be used for evidence. 

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/16/60minutes/main3516048.shtml

Around the four minute mark, a video clip showing Omar to be playing with wires was said to be him creating a bomb. How the video arrived in CBS hands was not detailed. Is CBS being used to bolster the gov't's case against him??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just recently CBS&#8217;s 60 minutes ran a report on Omar Khadr, a Canadian, and used video tape which the courts had decided that it was could not be used for evidence. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/16/60minutes/main3516048.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/16/60minutes/main3516048.shtml</a></p>
<p>Around the four minute mark, a video clip showing Omar to be playing with wires was said to be him creating a bomb. How the video arrived in CBS hands was not detailed. Is CBS being used to bolster the gov&#8217;t&#8217;s case against him??</p>
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		<title>By: musing</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/11/17/debate-debacle/#comment-240851</link>
		<dc:creator>musing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 23:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/11/17/debate-debacle/#comment-240851</guid>
		<description>outkast post 33,

a fascinating concept.

Do you have evidence to support this position?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>outkast post 33,</p>
<p>a fascinating concept.</p>
<p>Do you have evidence to support this position?</p>
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		<title>By: outkast</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/11/17/debate-debacle/#comment-240831</link>
		<dc:creator>outkast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/11/17/debate-debacle/#comment-240831</guid>
		<description>sorry, "By the time our troops HAD overthrown . . "</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry, &#8220;By the time our troops HAD overthrown . . &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: outkast</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/11/17/debate-debacle/#comment-240830</link>
		<dc:creator>outkast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/11/17/debate-debacle/#comment-240830</guid>
		<description>The evidence members of Congress were privileged to before the invasion proved that Iraq had WMD. By the time our troops overthrown Saddam's murderous regime, however, those weapons had been moved -- probably into Iran.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The evidence members of Congress were privileged to before the invasion proved that Iraq had WMD. By the time our troops overthrown Saddam&#8217;s murderous regime, however, those weapons had been moved &#8212; probably into Iran.</p>
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		<title>By: musing</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/11/17/debate-debacle/#comment-240813</link>
		<dc:creator>musing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/11/17/debate-debacle/#comment-240813</guid>
		<description>outkast post 30,

so I was thinking over your comment:

" And the fact is Saddam DID in fact have WMD, according to the United Nations and leading Democrats such as Hillary Clinton."

So are you saying that because a number of people said Iraq had WMD that in fact Iraq did have WMD?

The objectvie evidence seems pretty clear that at the time of the invasion Iraq did not have WMD, so it sounds like you are saying that the words from these individuals are more important that the actual facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>outkast post 30,</p>
<p>so I was thinking over your comment:</p>
<p>&#8221; And the fact is Saddam DID in fact have WMD, according to the United Nations and leading Democrats such as Hillary Clinton.&#8221;</p>
<p>So are you saying that because a number of people said Iraq had WMD that in fact Iraq did have WMD?</p>
<p>The objectvie evidence seems pretty clear that at the time of the invasion Iraq did not have WMD, so it sounds like you are saying that the words from these individuals are more important that the actual facts.</p>
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		<title>By: musing</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/11/17/debate-debacle/#comment-240759</link>
		<dc:creator>musing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/11/17/debate-debacle/#comment-240759</guid>
		<description>outkast post 30,

so:

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Poll_41_of_Americans_believe_Saddam_0624.html

which is from the summer of 2007, suggests that 41% of Americans still appear to believe that Saddam Hussein was involved in the planning of 9/11.

I believe that HRW's point here is supported by the evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>outkast post 30,</p>
<p>so:</p>
<p><a href="http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Poll_41_of_Americans_believe_Saddam_0624.html" rel="nofollow">http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Poll_41_of_Americans_believe_Saddam_0624.html</a></p>
<p>which is from the summer of 2007, suggests that 41% of Americans still appear to believe that Saddam Hussein was involved in the planning of 9/11.</p>
<p>I believe that HRW&#8217;s point here is supported by the evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: outkast</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/11/17/debate-debacle/#comment-240085</link>
		<dc:creator>outkast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 05:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/11/17/debate-debacle/#comment-240085</guid>
		<description>You're so far behind the times it's hardly worth responding to you, HRW. The "Plame affair" was how many years ago, and has been proven to be irrelevant? I'm not sure what poll you're reading that says we believe Saddam was behind 9/11, but that's dubious too. And the fact is Saddam DID in fact have WMD, according to the United Nations and leading Democrats such as Hillary Clinton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re so far behind the times it&#8217;s hardly worth responding to you, HRW. The &#8220;Plame affair&#8221; was how many years ago, and has been proven to be irrelevant? I&#8217;m not sure what poll you&#8217;re reading that says we believe Saddam was behind 9/11, but that&#8217;s dubious too. And the fact is Saddam DID in fact have WMD, according to the United Nations and leading Democrats such as Hillary Clinton.</p>
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		<title>By: hrw</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/11/17/debate-debacle/#comment-240077</link>
		<dc:creator>hrw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 04:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/11/17/debate-debacle/#comment-240077</guid>
		<description>Outkast


The EU and Canadian media is highly critical of the US administration and for Bush to face these critics would be a true test of his Q&#38;A abilities. Bush's counterparts in the western world faced far more criticism than would be tolerated in a land where bi-partisanship is a virtue. 

The US media has failed in its role as an independent source of information. Far from being critical, they have been used by the adminstration to "leak" secrets which are useful to the administration. The entire Plame affair was more an indictment of the media than the administration. The very fact that polls show many Americans believe Saddam was behind 9/11 and he had WMDs demonstrate a complete failure of the media to present information which deviates from the administration narrative. 

In the last presidential election I forced myself to watch the debate and kept waiting for the two men to actually debate but it never happened. They simply answered questions and took turns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outkast</p>
<p>The EU and Canadian media is highly critical of the US administration and for Bush to face these critics would be a true test of his Q&amp;A abilities. Bush&#8217;s counterparts in the western world faced far more criticism than would be tolerated in a land where bi-partisanship is a virtue. </p>
<p>The US media has failed in its role as an independent source of information. Far from being critical, they have been used by the adminstration to &#8220;leak&#8221; secrets which are useful to the administration. The entire Plame affair was more an indictment of the media than the administration. The very fact that polls show many Americans believe Saddam was behind 9/11 and he had WMDs demonstrate a complete failure of the media to present information which deviates from the administration narrative. </p>
<p>In the last presidential election I forced myself to watch the debate and kept waiting for the two men to actually debate but it never happened. They simply answered questions and took turns.</p>
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		<title>By: Random Name</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/11/17/debate-debacle/#comment-240075</link>
		<dc:creator>Random Name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 04:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/11/17/debate-debacle/#comment-240075</guid>
		<description>#17

Casting pearls before oysters. Nice try though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#17</p>
<p>Casting pearls before oysters. Nice try though.</p>
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