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		<title>By: Frank in Phoenix</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/08/holding-myanmar-accountable/#comment-300828</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank in Phoenix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 15:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was utterly unaware of this story until I heard about it on the Charles Goyette Show this morning (all italics mine):&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.citizensforethics.org/node/29798" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Report details US refusals of foreign aid after Katrina&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
Source: Nick Juliano, Rawstory.com
27 Jul 2007

A new report reveals &lt;i&gt;the US government turned down offers of help from across the globe in the wake of Hurricane Katrina,&lt;/i&gt; telling one diplomat "human assistance of any kind is not on our priorities list."

The report from Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington relies on a review of 25,000 documents obtained from the State Department. The report reveals &lt;i&gt;the US was interested mostly in cash assistance and materials, rather than direct aid from foreign relief workers and doctors, after Katrina ravaged the Gulf Coast in 2005.&lt;/i&gt;

"A review of the State Department documents reveals distressing ineptitude," CREW's executive director Melanie Sloan said in a prepared statement. &lt;i&gt;"Countries were trying to donate desperately needed goods and services, but as a result of bureaucratic bungling and indifference, those most in need of these generous offers and of aid never received it."&lt;/i&gt;

Offers to help came from 145 countries and 12 international organizations. &lt;i&gt;The US&lt;/i&gt; did accept help from its top allies around the globe, but CREW's report shows it &lt;i&gt;left unclaimed hundreds of thousands of prepared meals, water pumps, doctors and medicine.&lt;/i&gt;

Many of the offers were turned down because of a strict adherence to bureaucratic regulations, the report reveals. For example, questions about medical licensing prevented foreign-trained doctors from helping in the Gulf Coast.

"All, The (sic) word here is that doctors of any kind are in the 'forget about it' category," read an e-mail from the State Department responding to an offer of assistance from Argentina. "Human assistance of any kind is not on our priorities list ... It's all about goods, not people, at this point."

A ban on British beef in place over fears of Mad Cow disease prevented Meals Ready to Eat from the UK being given to Katrina refugees. The uneaten MREs were kept in a storage unit at a cost of $16,000 per month, according to the report.

&lt;i&gt;The disorganization that plagued Katrina cleanup efforts also strained diplomatic relations, when the US ignored offers of aid from other countries.&lt;/i&gt;

"It is getting downright embarrassing here not to have a response to the Estonians on flood relief," Jeffrey Goldstein, a U.S. Embassy official in Estonia, wrote in an e-mail to several State Department officials. "... We know that what the Estonians can offer is small potatoes and everyone at FEMA is swamped, but at this point even 'thanks but no thanks' is better than deafening silence."

An Israeli plane filled with supplies for the relief effort sat fully loaded on an airport tarmac for more than 48 hours because of a lack of communication from the US, according to another e-mail released with the report.

"The vendors are getting restless. They offered this stuff 48 hours ago, and the government hasn't responded," wrote an unidentified State Department official. "I've been on the phone with the [Israeli] attache every couple of hours since noon ... they're patient, but not amused by our delay, obviously."&lt;/blockquote&gt;Well, at least &lt;i&gt;our&lt;/i&gt; refusal of international aid was merely the result of "bureaucratic bungling and indifference," and not the raw brutality of a military dictatorship.

So we got &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; going for us ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was utterly unaware of this story until I heard about it on the Charles Goyette Show this morning (all italics mine):<br />
<blockquote><a href="http://www.citizensforethics.org/node/29798" rel="nofollow"><b>Report details US refusals of foreign aid after Katrina</b></a><br />
Source: Nick Juliano, Rawstory.com<br />
27 Jul 2007</p>
<p>A new report reveals <i>the US government turned down offers of help from across the globe in the wake of Hurricane Katrina,</i> telling one diplomat &#8220;human assistance of any kind is not on our priorities list.&#8221;</p>
<p>The report from Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington relies on a review of 25,000 documents obtained from the State Department. The report reveals <i>the US was interested mostly in cash assistance and materials, rather than direct aid from foreign relief workers and doctors, after Katrina ravaged the Gulf Coast in 2005.</i></p>
<p>&#8220;A review of the State Department documents reveals distressing ineptitude,&#8221; CREW&#8217;s executive director Melanie Sloan said in a prepared statement. <i>&#8220;Countries were trying to donate desperately needed goods and services, but as a result of bureaucratic bungling and indifference, those most in need of these generous offers and of aid never received it.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Offers to help came from 145 countries and 12 international organizations. <i>The US</i> did accept help from its top allies around the globe, but CREW&#8217;s report shows it <i>left unclaimed hundreds of thousands of prepared meals, water pumps, doctors and medicine.</i></p>
<p>Many of the offers were turned down because of a strict adherence to bureaucratic regulations, the report reveals. For example, questions about medical licensing prevented foreign-trained doctors from helping in the Gulf Coast.</p>
<p>&#8220;All, The (sic) word here is that doctors of any kind are in the &#8216;forget about it&#8217; category,&#8221; read an e-mail from the State Department responding to an offer of assistance from Argentina. &#8220;Human assistance of any kind is not on our priorities list &#8230; It&#8217;s all about goods, not people, at this point.&#8221;</p>
<p>A ban on British beef in place over fears of Mad Cow disease prevented Meals Ready to Eat from the UK being given to Katrina refugees. The uneaten MREs were kept in a storage unit at a cost of $16,000 per month, according to the report.</p>
<p><i>The disorganization that plagued Katrina cleanup efforts also strained diplomatic relations, when the US ignored offers of aid from other countries.</i></p>
<p>&#8220;It is getting downright embarrassing here not to have a response to the Estonians on flood relief,&#8221; Jeffrey Goldstein, a U.S. Embassy official in Estonia, wrote in an e-mail to several State Department officials. &#8220;&#8230; We know that what the Estonians can offer is small potatoes and everyone at FEMA is swamped, but at this point even &#8216;thanks but no thanks&#8217; is better than deafening silence.&#8221;</p>
<p>An Israeli plane filled with supplies for the relief effort sat fully loaded on an airport tarmac for more than 48 hours because of a lack of communication from the US, according to another e-mail released with the report.</p>
<p>&#8220;The vendors are getting restless. They offered this stuff 48 hours ago, and the government hasn&#8217;t responded,&#8221; wrote an unidentified State Department official. &#8220;I&#8217;ve been on the phone with the [Israeli] attache every couple of hours since noon &#8230; they&#8217;re patient, but not amused by our delay, obviously.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, at least <i>our</i> refusal of international aid was merely the result of &#8220;bureaucratic bungling and indifference,&#8221; and not the raw brutality of a military dictatorship.</p>
<p>So we got <i>that</i> going for us &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Roger H</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/08/holding-myanmar-accountable/#comment-300716</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 15:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank, I am impressed! Well argued and right on the money. How rare to read wisdom and plan common sense on a blog like this. 

Although this one comment to Michael,
 "Now, regarding your (false) assumption that I was merely taking another swipe at Bush’s invasion of Iraq: perhaps you’re feeling a slight twinge of Neocon guilt?" 
May be a bit of a swipe, I must admit I was thinking the same thing while reading through the comments. So in that sense, I still think you're on to something.

If the Constitution is the supreme authority WITHIN our government (God being supreme OVER all government), then I find it rather alarming how far we have strayed from its bounds in our international adventures. One need only take a brief cursory look at the writings of our nation's founders to discover their complete aversion to interventionist programs. I will take the wisdom found in Madison, Washington and Adams over any of the present crop of neocons and socialist we are being offered. It's amazing, these politicians will heap praise on the founders, while working to dismantle the very checks and balances the founders establish. 

Anyway, excellent series of posts frank...I look forward to reading more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank, I am impressed! Well argued and right on the money. How rare to read wisdom and plan common sense on a blog like this. </p>
<p>Although this one comment to Michael,<br />
 &#8220;Now, regarding your (false) assumption that I was merely taking another swipe at Bush’s invasion of Iraq: perhaps you’re feeling a slight twinge of Neocon guilt?&#8221;<br />
May be a bit of a swipe, I must admit I was thinking the same thing while reading through the comments. So in that sense, I still think you&#8217;re on to something.</p>
<p>If the Constitution is the supreme authority WITHIN our government (God being supreme OVER all government), then I find it rather alarming how far we have strayed from its bounds in our international adventures. One need only take a brief cursory look at the writings of our nation&#8217;s founders to discover their complete aversion to interventionist programs. I will take the wisdom found in Madison, Washington and Adams over any of the present crop of neocons and socialist we are being offered. It&#8217;s amazing, these politicians will heap praise on the founders, while working to dismantle the very checks and balances the founders establish. </p>
<p>Anyway, excellent series of posts frank&#8230;I look forward to reading more.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank in Phoenix</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/08/holding-myanmar-accountable/#comment-300712</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank in Phoenix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 14:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Michael Martin (18):&lt;/b&gt; I believe that your posing of the idea was not really serious and was mostly a facetious slap at President Bush and our invasion of Iraq.

&lt;b&gt;Frank:&lt;/b&gt; I would have written precisely the same thing if Bill or Hillary, Barack Obama, or John McCain were currently president.

Now, regarding your (false) assumption that I was merely taking another swipe at Bush's invasion of Iraq: perhaps you're feeling a slight twinge of Neocon guilt?

&lt;b&gt;Michael Martin (18):&lt;/b&gt; That is stupid and insane: “I want to save you, and I’ll kill you if you don’t let me!”

&lt;b&gt;Frank:&lt;/b&gt; I don't know if this is true or just a cliche, but it is said that injured anumals are the most dangerous -- that they will attack a person who tries to render them aid.

This is sort of what I picture the situation to be in Myanmar. Wild animals simply don't trust humans (Gen. 9:2), and an injured, vulnerable animal isn't any different.

The military junta in Myanmar already distrusts those powerful western nations that don't approve of their takeover. And now that the "wild animal" is severely injured ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Michael Martin (18):</b> I believe that your posing of the idea was not really serious and was mostly a facetious slap at President Bush and our invasion of Iraq.</p>
<p><b>Frank:</b> I would have written precisely the same thing if Bill or Hillary, Barack Obama, or John McCain were currently president.</p>
<p>Now, regarding your (false) assumption that I was merely taking another swipe at Bush&#8217;s invasion of Iraq: perhaps you&#8217;re feeling a slight twinge of Neocon guilt?</p>
<p><b>Michael Martin (18):</b> That is stupid and insane: “I want to save you, and I’ll kill you if you don’t let me!”</p>
<p><b>Frank:</b> I don&#8217;t know if this is true or just a cliche, but it is said that injured anumals are the most dangerous &#8212; that they will attack a person who tries to render them aid.</p>
<p>This is sort of what I picture the situation to be in Myanmar. Wild animals simply don&#8217;t trust humans (Gen. 9:2), and an injured, vulnerable animal isn&#8217;t any different.</p>
<p>The military junta in Myanmar already distrusts those powerful western nations that don&#8217;t approve of their takeover. And now that the &#8220;wild animal&#8221; is severely injured &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/08/holding-myanmar-accountable/#comment-300707</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 11:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, you are right Frank.   The idea is seriously in the heads of others.  I believe that your posing of the idea was not really serious and was mostly a facetious slap at President Bush and our invasion of Iraq.  However, the people at &lt;I&gt;Time&lt;/I&gt; are serious.

The article offers &lt;I&gt;some&lt;/I&gt; sane ideas on ways to pressure the regime, or to make the aid more acceptable, but going to war is not one of them.  An invasion is an act of war, no matter how you rationalize it or dress it up in other clothes.  

That is stupid and insane: &lt;I&gt;"I want to save you, and I'll kill you if you don't let me!"&lt;/I&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, you are right Frank.   The idea is seriously in the heads of others.  I believe that your posing of the idea was not really serious and was mostly a facetious slap at President Bush and our invasion of Iraq.  However, the people at <i>Time</i> are serious.</p>
<p>The article offers <i>some</i> sane ideas on ways to pressure the regime, or to make the aid more acceptable, but going to war is not one of them.  An invasion is an act of war, no matter how you rationalize it or dress it up in other clothes.  </p>
<p>That is stupid and insane: <i>&#8220;I want to save you, and I&#8217;ll kill you if you don&#8217;t let me!&#8221;</i></p>
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		<title>By: Frank in Phoenix</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/08/holding-myanmar-accountable/#comment-300705</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank in Phoenix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 06:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And over at &lt;i&gt;Time&lt;/i&gt; magazine, they are asking the musical question that I posited at (4), and which Michael poo-poohed (at first, anyway) at (5):

&lt;a href="http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1739053,00.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Is It Time to Invade Burma?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

So maybe this “idea” &lt;i&gt;isn't&lt;/i&gt; in my head alone ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And over at <i>Time</i> magazine, they are asking the musical question that I posited at (4), and which Michael poo-poohed (at first, anyway) at (5):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1739053,00.html" rel="nofollow"><b>Is It Time to Invade Burma?</b></a></p>
<p>So maybe this “idea” <i>isn&#8217;t</i> in my head alone &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: cslewislover</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/08/holding-myanmar-accountable/#comment-300662</link>
		<dc:creator>cslewislover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 00:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The LA Times had an article on this today, of course.  They reported how the UN had delivered tons of food, but the government just kept it.  They also reported how the government is exporting rice that was grown there but not giving any out to those now starving.  I don't know what could be done about this, but it seems very wrong to me to think that starving humans are simply someone else's problem (in this case, the Myanmar government).  I don't know how starving peasant farmers can change their government from within; pretty soon there'll be so few left, I guess we won't need to be bothered with it anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The LA Times had an article on this today, of course.  They reported how the UN had delivered tons of food, but the government just kept it.  They also reported how the government is exporting rice that was grown there but not giving any out to those now starving.  I don&#8217;t know what could be done about this, but it seems very wrong to me to think that starving humans are simply someone else&#8217;s problem (in this case, the Myanmar government).  I don&#8217;t know how starving peasant farmers can change their government from within; pretty soon there&#8217;ll be so few left, I guess we won&#8217;t need to be bothered with it anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank in Phoenix</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/08/holding-myanmar-accountable/#comment-300483</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank in Phoenix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 01:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,

Well said.

And all I was trying to say, really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>Well said.</p>
<p>And all I was trying to say, really.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/08/holding-myanmar-accountable/#comment-300441</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 22:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank (#9),

God will ultimately hold the leadership of Myanmar accountable for their criminal neglect.  In the meantime, the United States should offer, as President Bush has done, humanitarian aid.  The use of force to compel its acceptance is not a viable or sensible option for us.  Our national interests are not being threatened.

The people of that country need to clean their own house of the leadership that has neglected and abused them.  This situation may be a powerful incentive to to arouse the people to action.  Throughout history there are numerous examples of this kind of thing bringing about needed government changes from within.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank (#9),</p>
<p>God will ultimately hold the leadership of Myanmar accountable for their criminal neglect.  In the meantime, the United States should offer, as President Bush has done, humanitarian aid.  The use of force to compel its acceptance is not a viable or sensible option for us.  Our national interests are not being threatened.</p>
<p>The people of that country need to clean their own house of the leadership that has neglected and abused them.  This situation may be a powerful incentive to to arouse the people to action.  Throughout history there are numerous examples of this kind of thing bringing about needed government changes from within.</p>
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		<title>By: Bianca</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/08/holding-myanmar-accountable/#comment-300267</link>
		<dc:creator>Bianca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 17:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen.</p>
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		<title>By: Wiglaf</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/08/holding-myanmar-accountable/#comment-300230</link>
		<dc:creator>Wiglaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 15:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, Frank in Phoenix!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Frank in Phoenix!</p>
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