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A doctor at Boston’s Children’s Hospital has started a clinic for children who want a sex change. Pediatric specialist Dr. Norman Spack is opening the doors of his transgender clinic to children as young as 7.

Spack offers his younger patients counseling and drugs that delay the onset of puberty. The drugs stop the natural flood of hormones that would make it difficult to have a sex alteration later in life, allowing patients more time to decide whether they want to make the change.

Spack also offers some teenagers hormone therapy, a drastic step that changes the way they grow and develop. While the effects of drug treatments can be stopped, long-term hormone therapy can be irreversible, causing permanent infertility in both sexes.

Spack told the Boston Globe that such trade-offs may be worth it because transgendered children are deeply troubled and have a “high level of suicide attempts. I’ve never seen any patient make [a suicide attempt] after they’ve started hormonal treatment.”

But some doctors disagree with the treatments. “Treating these children with hormones does considerable harm and it compounds their confusion,” said Dr. Paul McHugh, University Distinguished Service Professor of Psychiatry at John Hopkins University. “Trying to delay puberty or change someone’s gender is a rejection of the lawfulness of nature.”

Thoughts?

40 Comments to “Doctor offers sex change for kids”

  1. 1. Gravatar by Wiglaf 05.21.08 at 8:51 am

    There’s a reason Spack rhymes with quack.

  2. 2. Gravatar by klasko 05.21.08 at 9:08 am

    I didn’t have a clue about my sexuality when I was 7 - I was just too busy being a kid. We get this kind of garbage when we have allowed our children to become sexualized through all of the avenues guarded by liberal gatekeepers. How long does a childhood last these days?

    How many 7 year old little boys really attempt and commit suicide because they want to be girls?

    We wonder why kids have no respect for adults and authority? I’d have no respect for anyone who came up with this kind of garbage either. Unfortunately, this kind of thinking is rampant today among adults who should know better.

    Sheesh! :roll:

  3. 3. Gravatar by Michael Martin 05.21.08 at 9:22 am

    If ever there was an example of gross child abuse, this is it. The people of Massachusetts, through their legislature, should declare this to be an unlawful practice and shut this “doctor” down.

    However, I doubt that they will do that.

    So when this quack begins to mangle children in his clinic, the lawmakers of Massachusetts, the “doctor”, and the responsible parents will all stand guilty before God.

    Jesus said to His disciples: “Things that cause people to sin are bound to come, but woe to that person through whom they come. It would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around his neck than for him to cause one of these little ones to sin. So watch yourselves.” Lk 17:1-3

  4. 4. Gravatar by Joel Mark 05.21.08 at 9:24 am

    How can we be so selectively judgmental toward these doctors? There are countless other doctors who are getting paid big bucks to legally sucking the brains out of human babies and throwing their remains into the dump. And our society protects this as a “constitutional right!”

    At least these child-drug-injecting doctors are letting the children continue to breath air.

  5. 5. Gravatar by Joel Mark 05.21.08 at 9:26 am

    “Pediatric specialist Dr. Norman Spack is opening the doors of his transgender clinic to children as young as 7.”

    Why not? They are nothing but accidental chemistry sacks anyhow.

  6. 6. Gravatar by Rostin 05.21.08 at 9:56 am

    “Trying to delay puberty or change someone’s gender is a rejection of the lawfulness of nature.”

    I’d love to ask him what he means by “lawfulness of nature.”

  7. 7. Gravatar by Joel Mark 05.21.08 at 10:10 am

    Let me get this straight; 7-year-olds have a CHOICE over what gender they want to be (wan option which we sometimes must protect with puberty delaying drugs), but homosexuals don’t have a choice (but are fully programmed genetically) with regard to who or how they want to love (sexual preference)?

  8. 8. Gravatar by Harris 05.21.08 at 10:29 am

    NPR covered this story two weeks ago. The story provides more of the human dimension, speaking with the parents of the child involved. When I heard it, I found myself rather troubled, too. Still, the pain (then relief) of the parents was all too plain in their voice.

    The article also offers a better counter than that HSK provides: a child psychologist in London who has treated 124 children since 1989, and who rejects the hormone therapy. Her position actually reinforces that of Joel Mark’s [7].

  9. 9. Gravatar by Serious George 05.21.08 at 10:41 am

    Thoughts?

    Yeah. This is the kind of lede that begs to be followed up with journalism.

    Until then,

    SG

  10. 10. Gravatar by StuBob 05.21.08 at 11:08 am

    When I do early pregnancy ultrasounds, I show the screen to the mother and say, “There’s your baby…unless you decide it’s not.”

    When I do later ultrasounds, I say, “It’s a boy…unless he decides he isn’t.”

    Well, not really, but it looks like perhaps I should.

  11. 11. Gravatar by Bob Buckles 05.21.08 at 11:37 am

    Dr. Mengele’s legacy…

  12. 12. Gravatar by llama 05.21.08 at 12:24 pm

    Pediatric specialist Dr. Norman Spack should lose his license to practice child molestation and mutilation in the State of Mass.

  13. Kids don’t always sort out things in life neatly. Some girls, for instance, go through a tomboy stage–I never did, but some do. I remember being told in junior high (does anyone tell kids this today?) not to worry that something was wrong with you if you had some sort of “crushes” on other kids your same gender, that that was a normal part of early adolescence. That said nothing about your sexuality and shouldn’t be considered sexual attraction. Girls, especially, are very prone to that–they’re very “romantic” before they’re necessarily interested in boys.

    But now we’ve sexualized all of adult affection; why not start looking at seven-year-olds to find a girl who doesn’t like dresses or a boy who hates violence and mud?

    This isn’t the first time I’ve heard of this guy, either, but I think he’s a quack who should lose his license. Read The Boy Who Was Raised as a Girl (that may be the subtitle, not the title), and understand the follow-up, that both twins profiled were dead as young adults, if you think that this sort of playing around with children’s sexuality is harmless.

  14. 14. Gravatar by kimberly 05.21.08 at 3:49 pm

    I remember being told in junior high (does anyone tell kids this today?) not to worry that something was wrong with you if you had some sort of “crushes” on other kids your same gender, that that was a normal part of early adolescence.

    CherylD–this actually seems (no offense intended!) a little vulgar to tell to a junior high schooler, unless they’re specifically having troubles with it.

    My parents told me very little of the outside world when I was young (I learned what “gay” and “rape” meant rather later than most of my peers.) I think if children perceive something as trendy or unusual, they may want to try it. It opens up new venues for children to rebel against their parents.

    It’s a little like telling kids where the guns are in the house: when they’re very young, the knowledge won’t protect them, and if they use it wrong and find the guns, it could seriously hurt them.

  15. 15. Gravatar by Bob Buckles 05.21.08 at 3:51 pm

    Where are the Conservatives at Boston’s Children’s Hospital to tell him he is full of … This is one of the things that happen when only one side is recognized in an academic/professional environment.

    Don’t Liberals see the danger of this one-sidedness?

  16. 16. Gravatar by Joel Mark 05.21.08 at 5:16 pm

    “Don’t Liberals see the danger of this one-sidedness?”

    Absolutely not. They only see danger in allowing the right to be represented.

  17. 17. Gravatar by Bianca 05.21.08 at 6:04 pm

    Let the brats change their junk and live with their decision.

  18. 18. Gravatar by Lloyd 05.21.08 at 6:13 pm

    Well, we already had two boys an we really wanted a girl.

    The parents should be brought up on charges, too!

  19. 19. Gravatar by Justus331 05.21.08 at 9:09 pm

    thoughts?

    yeah……I’ll give you my thoughts.

    this jerkface ought to have his lisence burned and then have a syringe full of motor oil injected into his bloodstream

  20. 20. Gravatar by SteveG 05.21.08 at 9:15 pm

    Bob and Joel Mark:

    You clowns and a few more should really just give your tired old “liberals” screed a long rest. Every time a story surfaces about some lone wacko doing something outrageous, a predictable few will immediately start talking as if “liberals” en masse are in lockstep support of it.

    Here I am, one of those “liberals,” fully agreeing with you that Spack is insane and completely wrong. But that doesn’t fit your preferred stereotype so I doubt you will notice.

  21. 21. Gravatar by Victoria 05.21.08 at 9:57 pm

    - 13 and 14 -

    I was surprised to read number 13. I never thought of having a ‘crush’ on another girl, YUCK - I liked boys to much, girls weren’t part of any attraction for my friends or me. We all ran around in a huge group, talking about which guy we liked at the ‘moment’ -

    As a mother, I’ve never heard of anyone thinking that its OK to have crushes on same gender, unless of course you’re talking about all the ‘homosexual’ instructions, and OK’S from the school boards now, trying to give kids an option.

  22. Kimberly (#14),

    I suspect you misunderstand what I’m saying. I don’t mean that girls have sexual crushes on other girls, boys on other boys–and if they do, there’s a potential problem there.

    But middle school girls (and apparently boys, but in a DIFFERENT way, and one I can’t speak to because I know little about 12-year-old boys) do go through a romantic stage when they send each other notes all the time and can’t get enough of each other–the nonstop talking on the phone, that sort of thing. They may also “worship” someone who’s an adult or a girl a few years older. It’s not exclusive (not limited to one girl, but to their whole group) and it’s not sexual. But in our day, kids are basically being told that all affection is sexual. So I’m saying it’s better to tell kids that they may go through such a stage when they “like” girls more than they like boys, and that it’s normal, than to let them go through it themselves and privately decide that they must be homosexuals! For the record, none of the women with whom I’ve discussed this phenonenom, and who agree it’s present in that age, are homosexual. It’s simply part of growing up.

    Here’s a story my sister reports, an example of what happens when we DON’T have such discussions with kids. A girl about 12 (and not terribly bright) asked her teacher, “What does it mean if you like boys AND girls?” The teacher, without asking any questions, said, “It means you’re bisexual.” So for the rest of the day, the girl told everyone at school that she was bisexual. At home she mentioned it to her dad, who asked her what she meant. She told him about the conversation with the teacher. So he asked questions. “Do you want to kiss girls?” “Eww.” “Do you want to have sex with girls?” “No, of course not. Yuck!” “You just love girls as friends, right?” “Yeah.”

    Most 12-year-olds love intensely–but they aren’t yet sexually drawn to boys, or are both drawn and repulsed simultaneously (because 12-year-old boys aren’t at all sexy!). So the foundation for deep love for someone outside the family of birth is being set, but it’s only later that sexual attraction (to boys) is mixed into things. There’s nothing vulgar or gross about this. Little girls like dressing up and hearts and affection. Eventually these things will be linked with sexual desires and will be turned toward boys. But in the early stages of puberty, they’re more likely to take the form of things like girls brushing each other’s hair and sending each other notes that would be called “love notes” if they were sent to a boy.

    For the record, I had no friends at all at this stage of life. But I did see my classmates pass each other notes filled with little hearts–and they weren’t lesbians. They were just romantic, and their first (non-sexual) crushes were with their circle of girlfriends. And I experienced the “hero worship” element, when I thought that certain older women were one step below deity–fortunately the women in my life were godly women, and I honor them all the more at 40 than at 12, because I see the depth of their character more than I saw it then. But I’m not “in awe” of them in the same way I was at 12 and 13, because that is an age for hero worship and 40 is not.

    Does this make more sense? Do you agree it’s part of early puberty, and that in a sex-saturated culture it probably makes sense to discuss the difference between feelings for boys and feelings for girls?

    BTW, waiting till it’s an issue doesn’t necessarily work–kids of this age won’t always tell you the intensity of their feelings. If they’re afraid they might be homosexual, they might tell their teachers and peers before they tell their parents–and their teachers and peers are more likely to treat them as bisexual or homosexual than to help them understand that it’s OK that they aren’t yet sexually attracted to ANYONE yet, and that this affection for their same-sex friends in fact isn’t sexual. If I had kids, I would be inclined to help them understand the difference between friendship love and sexual love, and not leave them with the potential to be privately confused and worried.

  23. 23. Gravatar by Victoria 05.22.08 at 1:37 am

    Cheryl,

    I have read what you wrote, some of which makes a ‘little sense’ but much more isn’t relevant to a child.

    Because you have not had children, it might be better for you to speak about those things which you know.

    Kids aren’t interested in same sex unless they have problems in this area. As you posted #13 —– “Some girls, for instance, go through a tomboy stage–I never did, but some do. I remember being told in junior high (does anyone tell kids this today?) not to worry that something was wrong with you if you had some sort of “crushes” on other kids your same gender, that that was a normal part of early adolescence.” —– Cheryl, I don’t know where you heard this, but I certainly didn’t, and I didn’t hear it as a mother with children.

    YOU WRITE: post 22 :arrow: “But middle school girls (and apparently boys, but in a DIFFERENT way, and one I can’t speak to because I know little about 12-year-old boys) do go through a romantic stage when they send each other notes all the time and can’t get enough of each other–the nonstop talking on the phone, that sort of thing.”

    YOU WRITE:….. :arrow: “Most 12-year-olds love intensely–but they aren’t yet sexually drawn to boys, or are both drawn and repulsed simultaneously (because 12-year-old boys aren’t at all sexy!). So the foundation for deep love for someone outside the family of birth is being set, but it’s only later that sexual attraction (to boys) is mixed into things. There’s nothing vulgar or gross about this. Little girls like dressing up and hearts and affection. Eventually these things will be linked with sexual desires and will be turned toward boys. But in the early stages of puberty, they’re more likely to take the form of things like girls brushing each other’s hair and sending each other notes that would be called “love notes” if they were sent to a boy.”

    Cheryl, perhaps you need to understand children, and not just those who pop into and out of your life. I’m a mother, and I have never read such things in my life. If you aren’t a mother, then you won’t know or understand.

  24. Cheryl,

    I am a mother, and I do understand exactly what you are saying. I even felt that way about my Jr. High best girl friend. And, I am thoroughly heterosexual.

  25. 25. Gravatar by magwah 05.22.08 at 9:12 am

    This doctor is getting attention but this is happening in New York as well, and has been for some time. Parents are even being forced to pay for and accept their childrens choices to change their sex. Parents who don’t accept the transgender demarkation of their child risk loosing their children. Religious views against the GLBT agenda are considered unacceptable, and The CPS will investigate your family to make sure you are not coercing your children toward and intolerant attitude based on your belief system. I’m glad this is getting some attention because when something like this happens to a family, it isn’t often spoken of for fear of ridicule. This allows the school and state to further push the GLBT agenda on us all.

  26. Thank you, TRS. I know girls who felt relieved when an adult explained to them that this is normal. Today’s young girls are under great pressure to “declare” themselves lesbian or bisexual–so I heartily think they need this reassurance that they may simply be too young to be attracted to boys and that strong feelings of non-sexual affection aren’t wrong. (And again, I have never felt sexual attraction to women or girls, but in junior high when I was an outsider, I felt a very strong yearning to be part of that tight cozy world of girls who had strong friendships with other girls. Girl friendships are VERY important at that age.)

    Victoria, you’ve declined to mention the ages of your children (which I respect); it may be that your children haven’t yet hit such a phase, they never experienced it, or even that you simply didn’t know about it. That’s not meant as a putdown, but just as single people don’t know everything about children, neither do mothers always know what happens in their adolescents’ minds, especially if the teens suspect their parents wouldn’t understand.

  27. 27. Gravatar by Victoria 05.22.08 at 2:07 pm

    Cheryl, I can assure you that the age of my children have hit that age group and are now past it —- and that would also include me lol - I had many girl friends in school and beyond, we were to busy having boy friends and talking about the guys to give one thought about having a ‘crush’ on another girl - There were a few girls in school which were interested in other girls, and WE KNEW WHO THEY WERE, we didn’t include them in our activities - That sort of behavior isn’t hard to spot, its obvious. There are parents who are blind to that sort of ’same gender’ attraction, which is sad, but MOST parents I know are very savvy about sexual matters and their kids, and those they hang out with -

    I don’t accept what you say as a “putdown” I take it as you don’t know what you’re talking about. As I am a mother, and I have had many interactions with kids, both in our home, sleepovers, PTA, clubs, church, etc., I believe I know what I’m talking about, its called ‘first hand’ EXPERIENCE, on an ongoing basis - no one can understand the day to day year to year rearing of children unless they are a PARENT, full time until the child leaves home - Further more, my friends have children, we discuss many issues with, and regarding children. Girls or boys who become infatuated with ’same gender’ are not considered ‘normal feelings’ it would be something that ANY parent would look into tout de suite - Sexual issues are not overlooked by parents, —- parents talk among themselves, we are very INFORMED regarding sexuality, not only because of what has been taught in schools for the past 25 years - and YES we KNOW that schools will tell kids that its OK to have such ’same sex gender feelings’ but it isn’t true, and its unhealthy to say otherwise, they tell children that many things are OK to feel etc -

    The parent who cannot see that their child is identifying with ’same sex’ isn’t paying attention, kids are more transparent than that.

  28. 28. Gravatar by kimberly 05.22.08 at 2:14 pm

    Cheryl–
    I have a feeling that what’s bothering me is not actually what you’re saying, but your way of saying it.

    In our culture today, the words “attraction to the same gender” carry a heavy sexual charge, whether we want them to or not, and I felt as though you were saying that semi-homosexual relationships as children were a “normal part of growing up.”

    Probably the center problem here is the oversexualization of our culture. The same girl who is told by her teacher she is bisexual is encouraged by advertising and movies to fall in love with boys. (I like country music but have noted with displeasure a few that have children as young as third grade passing each other love notes … it’s rather disgusting).

    If I had kids, I would be inclined to help them understand the difference between friendship love and sexual love, and not leave them with the potential to be privately confused and worried . Hmmm … if I had kids, I’d wait until they were a little older. Probably coming into puberty, maybe about thirteen. Children younger than that just need to be kids. They have enough problems.

    But since I don’t have kids and you don’t have kids, I think this is probably a moot point! :)

  29. Victoria,

    I think I clarified pretty strongly that I’m NOT talking about or condoning sexual attraction. Do girls of that age have more INTENSE friendships than they did when they were younger, and than they will when they were older? In my experience, they do. That’s what I’m taking about.

    Your continual putdowns of “you’re not a parent, so you can’t possibly know much about kids” are getting old, BTW. (1) I have LOTS of experience with kids, including camp counseling and foster care. (2) I have 19 nieces and nephews (including a grandniece). (3) I am a writer and thus, by nature, an observer of people. I’ve even written material for children to read. (4) I used to be a child, and I still am quite aware of kid culture (including reading many kids’ books each year).

    No, I’m not a parent–so what? If I made comments about elderly people, would others step in and say, “Your mom is dead, and neither of your parents lived past 78. You can’t possibly know anything about old people”? No, they wouldn’t, and it would be weird if they did.

    No, I’m not a parent–but I’ve spent 40 years knowing children. I know more about children than I know about 40-year-olds. Can we give it a rest on the “Cheryl is ignorant about children” cliche, please?

    And BTW, is it really OK for 12-year-olds to spend all their time with female friends talking about boys? I personally wasn’t really interested in boys as a young teen (younger than about 15) because my parents had made very clear that they didn’t want to see me have crushes on boys. I think it’s perfectly legitimate to say, “You’re too young to be thinking about boys. You’re way too young to get married. Have fun with your friends, and later on you’ll have plenty of time to court and marry.”

  30. 30. Gravatar by Victoria 05.22.08 at 3:54 pm

    Cheryl

    YOU WRITE: ….. :arrow: “And BTW, is it really OK for 12-year-olds to spend all their time with female friends talking about boys? I personally wasn’t really interested in boys as a young teen (younger than about 15) because my parents had made very clear that they didn’t want to see me have crushes on boys”

    I didn’t say “ALL their time” - It’s normal for girls to like boys, and its normal for the boys to like girls. Whatever your experiences were, they are miles apart from mine, and the girls I hung out with — we liked boys, and we talked about them, we also did homework, went to church, participated in church activities and our families.

    You can’t tell girls or boys they are too young to think about one another, they will anyway. It’s not about marriage Cheryl, or even thinking about it, its just natural for kids to like and have attractions for the opposite sex.

    As for you not being a mother, you aren’t. You have said that you were a foster parent for about a month, that was a kind thing you did for those children, but that does not give you the experience of being a mother, nor does writing books for kids.

    YOU WRITE: …. :arrow: “No, I’m not a parent–but I’ve spent 40 years knowing children. I know more about children than I know about 40-year-olds.”

    Knowing kids and raising them FULL TIME for years is very different from just knowing kids since you were one.

  31. 31. Gravatar by Lightning Dragon 05.22.08 at 5:36 pm

    The so-called ‘girl crush’ is not uncommon, though I never went through that phase either (never really was a girly girl).

    Also, I don’t think Cheryl is implying that girls don’t like boys before a certain age in the sense that they’re homosexual or any such thing. Rather, I think she’s referring to the fact that most girls go through a ‘boys are gross’ phase a while before puberty (about the same time boys go through a phase wherein they like eating glue and bothering said girls).

    Additionally, I hardly think children are transparent in any sense of the term. I say this not as a parent, but as someone who was a kid more recently than most of the people here. I was able to hide all sorts of things from my parents, when I chose to, and it seemed to me that most other kids were able to as well.

  32. Victoria,

    I’m not a parent. On that we have agreement. We don’t agree on the relevance of that fact to knowing and understanding children. As I’ve pointed out, no one does that with any other age: Oh, you don’t understand seniors, because you don’t have old parents. You don’t understand 40-year-olds because your kids aren’t 40 yet. You don’t understand 25-year-olds because you don’t currently live with one.

    Let’s just say I have more experience with children than with pretty much any other facet of life in which I’d be allowed to state an opinion. I only have one dog, for instance, but people aren’t going to make fun of me for not having enough dog experience to comment on dogs. Yet I have far more experience with children than with dogs. This idea that one can only understand children if one actually is a parent is a 20th-century one, and it strikes me, frankly, as weird. Children are people. They go through stages.

    In some aspects of life, parents understand more about children than non-parents do. In some aspects, non-parents may understand more. For instance, a Sunday school teacher of eight-year-old girls may have a better sense that a particular child’s behavior is abnormal for eight-year-old girls than the girl’s parents do. They’re too close to be objective, and they don’t have a broad enough view of eight-year-olds to know what “average” is for that age. (My sister is a parent of five, and yet she regularly asks me questions about kids based on my experience with children.) A pediatrician may have no children of his own, but know lots and lots more about child development than the average parent does.

    BTW, if kids can like and be interested in the opposite sex without it having anything to do with marriage, why on earth did you jump to an assumption about SEX when I said that girls can be very close to others of their own sex? Certainly boy-girl sex is a more natural leap than girl-girl sex!!! Wow.

    In my family, it was very clear that our parents didn’t approve of teen crushes, and we were explicitly told we were not allowed to date before the age of 16. (I doubt seriously that any of us dated AT 16, but that’s another story.) I don’t think it’s weird that even my thought life was in submission to my parents on that issue; I was an obedient child, in any area one could mention. At about 15 I had my first “crush,” because I knew that I was approaching 16 and with it my family’s “legal dating age.” That boy never asked me out; my minor crush never went anywhere except for me telling my sister and wishing he’d ask me out. But I didn’t go around fascinated by boys at 12 and 13. A lot of girls do and a lot of girls do not.

    Anyway, no, I’m not a parent. We agree and can let that rest. But I’m not ignorant about children as a result.

  33. 33. Gravatar by Victoria 05.22.08 at 7:32 pm

    Lightning Dragon

    I don’t know how old you are, but you do intimate that you are not yet a parent, which in itself means you haven’t had the opportunity to observe your own child/children and their lives. It’s one thing to be a young adult, its another thing to have children and have watched them grow over a period of 18 years or older.

    My remarks only come from MY experience, and that of my friends and family. Kids aren’t as clever as they think they are, unless of course their parents aren’t paying full attention to their behavior, friends, grades, attitude, their emotional growth, and stability. Those who I am acquainted with, spend time, energy, with their children, they know the pitfalls, red flags, which indicate a potential problem. Too many kids aren’t supervised regarding their homework, clubs, and church groups, computer use, friends, AND the homes their children’s friends come from —- this is one IMPORTANT area to keep tabs on. When a child has friends, who’s parents don’t give a hoot as to what their doing, my child is at risk, anything can go wrong when parents don’t care, or they aren’t home when kids hang out together. Of course there is a time when a parent has to start letting go, letting the child make decisions and living with the consequences, that’s how THEY learn, sometimes from mistakes.

    - I never went through a phase, thinking boys were anything but wonderful LOL - Just thought I would throw that in, and add my friends and I thought alike - We laughed at the funny things guys do, and the guys laughed at us too -

    You sound like a good kid/young adult, —- your parents may have known more about what you were up to then you realize, at any rate, thanks for the post. :)

  34. 34. Gravatar by Lightning Dragon 05.22.08 at 8:22 pm

    At any rate, back on topic, I have to wonder why on earth any child as young as seven would WANT a sex-change. I was completely oblivious about sexual things at that age. I also grew up with three brothers, no female relatives my age, and no girls my age in my neighborhood, and also didn’t like ‘girly’ things, yet I never wanted to be a boy.

    I don’t think children come to conclusions like this on their own. I’m not sure whether media or bad parenting/schooling is to blame, but I find this rather disturbing.

  35. 35. Gravatar by Victoria 05.22.08 at 11:06 pm

    L D - 34

    YOU WRITE:…. :arrow: “I don’t think children come to conclusions like this on their own. I’m not sure whether media or bad parenting/schooling is to blame, but I find this rather disturbing.”

    You and I now agree, its all of the above.

    Kids need lots of attention, they need our time, love and guidance, MOST kids don’t get that. Many parents are LIBERAL, which explains how children of these parents run around unsupervised, without direction or values. They learn all the different ‘CHOICES’ they might choose from in public school, then they come home to people who live together and aren’t married, or to people who do drugs, or parents that don’t care, as long as they can continue to live without being disturbed. The problem is THE PARENTS ARE DISTURBED.

  36. 36. Gravatar by Concerned 05.28.08 at 2:10 pm

    I really don’t know what Dr. Spack is talking about re: hormone treatment preventing suicide attempts. The one transgendered person I know very well NEVER attempted suicide until after he started hormones…

  37. 37. Gravatar by Bianca 05.28.08 at 5:37 pm

    34 - How about if the zipper keeps getting caught? I read a statistic once in a parenting magazine that the average boy before the age of five gets his privates caught in his zipper (usually by a harried, career-oriented mother) an average of five times per year.

  38. Even though I am transgendered, I was shocked when I heard that a clinic in Boston was providing sex changes to kids as young as seven. I wrote my thoughts about the pros and cons of offering a sex change so early here: http://www.crossdresserheaven.com/2008/05/a-sex-change-at.html
    I believe there are better ways to avoid suicide than providing a sex change to children.

    Hugs,
    Vanessa
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  39. 39. Gravatar by Victoria 05.29.08 at 7:29 pm

    Complaints about my not answering questions from this thread found themselves over on “Whirled News” as of May 22nd. I tried to post over on “Whirled News” but it won’t post, so I will give it a try here.

    Motherhood is a lifelong commitment, so is fatherhood -

    School teachers sometimes have positive and negative effects on children, but the kids go home to mom and dad after school.

    Neighbors who befriend children can be an example and friend to your child, however the child goes home to mom and dad.

    Aunts and Uncles can love your child, but then send them home when the weekend/vacation ends, again the kids go home to mom and dad.

    Grandparents have special effects upon their grandchildren, but most often they send them back home, LOL

    Friends can enjoy the relationships of our children, but we take our children home at the end of the day.

    Scouting, clubs of all kinds, including camp are great, but at the end of the meeting, activity, camp, mom and dad take the kids home.

    We take children to church, all the activities, and then we take them back home with us.

    Home is where the kids live, its there that the parents having a family, build bonds that are ’special’ they don’t include the rest of anyone else, unless that ANYONE ELSE is a member in their household as a permanent member.

    It’s the parents who wake up in the middle of the night with a beloved child their temperature is 103, the doctor is called, then the race to hospital, praying the whole way that it isn’t something serious, REALLY SERIOUS. It’s the nights when the child cries because of a bad dream, and you hold them caressing them, waiting for them to go back to sleep OR taking them in your own bed to comfort them.

    It’s the parents who get the emergency call from school that something has gone wrong, either illness or an accident, then you rush to their side. Perhaps the school can’t reach you right away, but in the end you are there, wherever the child is, to talk to the doctor, etc, and then take them back home.

    It’s the parents who stay up till the teen comes home from a party, hoping all is well, that whoever is driving is watching the road.

    It’s the parents who stay up when the kids start dating, and when the clock says 5 minutes before they are supposed to return, you CHECK the driveway to see if they drove up.

    It’s the parents who know the pain when kids mess up, when you cry with them because things at school aren’t what they should be.

    It’s the parents who pay for the braces because they love and want their kids teeth be right.

    It’s the parents who are on their knees for their children, to follow the LORD.

    It’s the parents who walk by a child’s room and hear Christian music coming from the radio instead of garbage.

    It’s parents who watch a child make a special birthday party, and pretend they don’t know a thing about it.

    It’s the parents who take the child to church and pray with them at night.

    It’s the parents who make plans with the child for their future, trusting in GOD that all will be right.

    For MOST of the TIME in a child’s life, it is their parents who mean the most, not another other adult takes the parents place.

    When a parent dies, there is a loss which can’t be expressed, when you stand at the casket of your dearly loved mom or dad, there is something which hurts so deeply. I have loved many of my parents friends, have attended many of their funerals and wept, but its my parents whom I loved, trusted and looked to for advice for COMFORT.

    My mother in law passed away this past Sunday in the afternoon, I can vouch for the pain it caused my dear husband - No other woman does he ascribe with such love as his mother, or anyone to whom he felt that close to except his father too, in his years as a kid, a teen, a college student. Later when we married he has loved me with all his heart, he loved my mother and dad too. It’s his parents to whom he gives the honor of raising him to be the man he is today. Yes I am his wife, and he adores me, but I didn’t RAISE HIM, I’m not the one who gave him a great love of reading, or a father who directed him to college, and encouraged all of his abilities, it was his mother and father, they were his mentors, they were the parents GOD chose him to have -

    Last but not least it’s ALMOST ALWAYS mom or dad that a child cries out to, it’s just the way it is!

  40. 40. Gravatar by Victoria 05.29.08 at 7:30 pm

    Sorry the above should read May 27th. Notice I have not posted on this thread since May 22nd.