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	<title>Comments on: Losing children</title>
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		<title>By: outdeep</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/30/losing-children/#comment-306911</link>
		<dc:creator>outdeep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 10:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pauline,  I think much of parenting is our correcting the over-emphasis of our parents.  To me, giving my kids responsibility was important in reaction to my mother's micro-managing when I grew up.  It seems your correction was the opposite.  That balance is difficult which is why it is important to think about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pauline,  I think much of parenting is our correcting the over-emphasis of our parents.  To me, giving my kids responsibility was important in reaction to my mother&#8217;s micro-managing when I grew up.  It seems your correction was the opposite.  That balance is difficult which is why it is important to think about.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/30/losing-children/#comment-306808</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 20:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good insights, Tony.  Good post.  Rather than opine, I will chew on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good insights, Tony.  Good post.  Rather than opine, I will chew on it.</p>
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		<title>By: kimberly</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/30/losing-children/#comment-306744</link>
		<dc:creator>kimberly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 18:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Independence is great, but if too little rein is given, the pendulum swings the other way: parents constantly encouraging "initiative" and wondering why their child (even their older, living-at-home-during-the-summer college students) doesn't grow up and take responsibility. 

And all the time they're telling them when to clean the bathroom and wash the dishes and not leaving them any room to actually grow up and impress the parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Independence is great, but if too little rein is given, the pendulum swings the other way: parents constantly encouraging &#8220;initiative&#8221; and wondering why their child (even their older, living-at-home-during-the-summer college students) doesn&#8217;t grow up and take responsibility. </p>
<p>And all the time they&#8217;re telling them when to clean the bathroom and wash the dishes and not leaving them any room to actually grow up and impress the parents.</p>
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		<title>By: Pauline</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/30/losing-children/#comment-306666</link>
		<dc:creator>Pauline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 15:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kids need the right balance between independence and help/guidance/rules. And that's a difficult balance to find, and isn't in the same place for everyone. So far I think I'm not erring too far in one direction or the other, as our boys seem to be doing well at taking increasing responsibility as they get older.

My own parents wanted to give us "freedom to find our own way" as Outdeep speaks of, but - in my opinion - left us too much on our own. We didn't get in trouble, we happened to be the kind of kids who preferred to follow the rules. But it's been hard for both my sister and me to learn to make decisions confidently, even though we had so many opportunities to do so as children, because we also didn't have any guidance in how to do it.

Our mother had had no opportunity to make her own choices as a child, or to take on responsibilities. She wanted to make sure we did. I don't remember a single time my parents ever asked if my schoolwork was done, or even to see my report card. Whether I cleaned my room was my own business. What we chose to believe about God was up to us. We could learn how to cook by trial and error, just as she did.

So I had plenty of independence and responsibility from a young age, but it terrified me. The idea of growing up and being on my own - how would I ever figure it out? My mother still wanted someone to take care of her and make her decisions for her, long after I did grow up. And she marvelled that somehow my sister and I had more or less figured it out, in spite of her inability to guide us.

So I try to strike a balance. Let them try things, but don't make them do stuff on their own that they're not ready for. A nudge or a push is needed sometimes, to get them to try something new and a little scary. But I'm there to help when they need it, not standing back hands-off to leave them to sink or swim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kids need the right balance between independence and help/guidance/rules. And that&#8217;s a difficult balance to find, and isn&#8217;t in the same place for everyone. So far I think I&#8217;m not erring too far in one direction or the other, as our boys seem to be doing well at taking increasing responsibility as they get older.</p>
<p>My own parents wanted to give us &#8220;freedom to find our own way&#8221; as Outdeep speaks of, but - in my opinion - left us too much on our own. We didn&#8217;t get in trouble, we happened to be the kind of kids who preferred to follow the rules. But it&#8217;s been hard for both my sister and me to learn to make decisions confidently, even though we had so many opportunities to do so as children, because we also didn&#8217;t have any guidance in how to do it.</p>
<p>Our mother had had no opportunity to make her own choices as a child, or to take on responsibilities. She wanted to make sure we did. I don&#8217;t remember a single time my parents ever asked if my schoolwork was done, or even to see my report card. Whether I cleaned my room was my own business. What we chose to believe about God was up to us. We could learn how to cook by trial and error, just as she did.</p>
<p>So I had plenty of independence and responsibility from a young age, but it terrified me. The idea of growing up and being on my own - how would I ever figure it out? My mother still wanted someone to take care of her and make her decisions for her, long after I did grow up. And she marvelled that somehow my sister and I had more or less figured it out, in spite of her inability to guide us.</p>
<p>So I try to strike a balance. Let them try things, but don&#8217;t make them do stuff on their own that they&#8217;re not ready for. A nudge or a push is needed sometimes, to get them to try something new and a little scary. But I&#8217;m there to help when they need it, not standing back hands-off to leave them to sink or swim.</p>
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		<title>By: outdeep</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/30/losing-children/#comment-306654</link>
		<dc:creator>outdeep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 15:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am no expert on parenting and it does seem to me that there are multiple causes to this problem.  I have seen over-strict parents lose their kids as well as the over-permissive.

One of the few things I ended up doing right in parenting is to make it clear and demonstrate that they have to work out the consequences of their own choices.  While some parents over-managed their kid's high school career and produced children who could memorize their way through a test and had a Christianity that was shallow cliches and bumper-stickers.

I made it clear that if they didn't do well on a test or missed assignments, it was their problem.  Have fun in detention if they are late.  As a result I saw my kids take ownership of their life and approach jobs with a kind of seriousness and responsibility that got them noticed and promoted quickly.

Not bragging here as I did more things wrong than I did right.  But, in retrospect, I do see value in not micro-managing my kids or living my goals through them but giving advise and allowing them the freedom to find their own way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am no expert on parenting and it does seem to me that there are multiple causes to this problem.  I have seen over-strict parents lose their kids as well as the over-permissive.</p>
<p>One of the few things I ended up doing right in parenting is to make it clear and demonstrate that they have to work out the consequences of their own choices.  While some parents over-managed their kid&#8217;s high school career and produced children who could memorize their way through a test and had a Christianity that was shallow cliches and bumper-stickers.</p>
<p>I made it clear that if they didn&#8217;t do well on a test or missed assignments, it was their problem.  Have fun in detention if they are late.  As a result I saw my kids take ownership of their life and approach jobs with a kind of seriousness and responsibility that got them noticed and promoted quickly.</p>
<p>Not bragging here as I did more things wrong than I did right.  But, in retrospect, I do see value in not micro-managing my kids or living my goals through them but giving advise and allowing them the freedom to find their own way.</p>
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