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I don’t know, but recognizing the enemy in name, such as satan, is not the same as recognizing his representatives in our daily lives
The enemy is the fool, where ever he or she may be
Aw man,I can’t believe I keep missing out on the Chas presidential administration discussions. I’m going to need a job soon anyway.
Sure I’d have to bring the kid to work with me after 12 o’clock, but I’m sure security would eventfully get used to the screaming.
Besides, I doubt you want any “disappointed office seekers” hanging around out there.
Corrie Ten Boom
Though I’m personally in favor of drilling wherever so long as environmtal contamination risks are minimized, I nonetheless feel obliged to make some observations.
Though he might be a wingnut wacko, Ross Perot recognized our dependence on imported oil way back in 92. (Remember the “fee” he wanted to impose on imported oil?) Congress could have done much to halt that import situation. Cheap oil from abroad spelled the end of the domestic drilling industry. (Domestic oil production costs were higher than the price of the imported oil. The “oil patch” and the jobs it provided dried up and blew away with the full complicity of Congress and both parties).
I’m really irked that many of the same nuckleheads who paved the way for our greater reliance on overseas petrol are still sitting in Congress!
BTW Shipmate Lynn. Glad to see you back at the Helm so to speak
By the way, I’m now starting orientation for my job as a Warrior Transition Unit case mgr at Bayne-Jones Army Community Hospital. BJACH is located in beautiful scenic Fort Polk Louisiana. Got me plate of boiled mud bugs here just waiting with your name on them!
Sawgunner, I doubt either party has the “you know whats” to do anything. Industry lobbies hard for “Free trade, not fair trade mind you” while tree huggers lobby the other side for Greenpeace. In the mean time you and I are left to pay the bill.
Good luck Sawgunner
Joe B. wins! Corrie Ten Boom is correct. Enjoy your overcooked, cruise-cup, urn coffee shipmate
My book club discussed _Same Kind of Different as Me_ last night. (My pick.) Much curiosity about Lynn’s hand in the writing. Thanks for giving us such a challenging tale to share!
I have been pestering people (because I am a pest) to explain why they comment at WOW. Many have reasonable explanations; some choose not to answer. I will give it a rest for a week, but I still recommend you think about it. I am going to try something else.
I said many comments seem to take the stance of trying to persuade; yet no persuastion ever seems to take place, so I asked what is the point of such comments?
One person (I forget who) suggested that many people who read quietly without posting many comments themselves may quietly be changing their minds on difficult issues. This is an interesting thought; it may be wishful thinking (rather like you know what), but it also appeals to the radical agnostic in me to investigate.
A long time ago I asked people on (then known as) wmb who might be evangelical Christians to email me about a controversial issue where they did not agree with the prevailing zeitgeist. Several did; at least one still communicates with me on a regular basis.
This is a little different. I am not asking for people who agree with me on a particular position. I am asking lurkers (people who post seldom or ever) to tell me if they have been quietly persuaded of anything by reading posts and comments on World on the Web. I am thinking particularly in regard to religious belief and political leaning.
Here are the ground rules (for me, not you) as trust may be an issue.
1. Please email me using the account I use for anonymous communication: [email protected]. It works. I know posting it publicly will get me lots of spam; it already gets lots of spam, so I don’t worry about it.
2. If you use a working email return address when you write me, I will reply to acknowledge I got your email.
3. I will keep your name and email private and not reveal it publicly on WOW or anywhere else. I may quote or summarize anything you tell me when I report on my survey.
4. When I quote, I will avoid critical or negative remarks about what you said to me. I am mostly doing this out of curiousity. I am not under much illusion that this survey will be scientific, statisically accurate, or anything but crazy on my part.
Trust. Obviously, you may wonder whether you can trust me to keep private your personal information. At least three well-regarded conservative Christian members of the World community have corresponded with me in the past and I have kept their information private. Just ask … well, that won’t work, will it? So I guess you are down to trusting me or not.
Interesting Information to Include. It’s up to you, but it would be interesting to learn religious affiliation or belief (or lack thereof), political leaning, whether you are a high lurker (never post) or a low lurker (post less than once a week. (I should perhaps reverse that nomenclature–good grounds for a religious war, no doubt.) If you post more than once a week, I think you can just come out and tell everybody in front of God and man and everybody, unless you are secretly changing your opinion and not telling anybody about it. What would be the point of that? God knows what you believe, anyway, so you might as well tell the rest of us, even if you are an atheist.
Speaking of questions:
Back before I took my break, there was a person in the military in Iraq who posted regularly. I forget the name (my bad). Is he OK? Did he announce he was stopping posting?
Also, there was a young woman who was going through military training to be an officer who posted several posts about her experiences. Night Train became rather ballistic about women possibly being in combat and military duty in general. Others rushed to the defense of female military participation. Any follow ups on this young woman? I forget her name also. (My double bad.)
“We have met the enemy, and he is us.”
-Pogo-
Random Name, I certainly am more than a lurker, but I would like to comment.
I have been slightly persuaded to think of things differently by my participation here. I enjoy the repartee and the challenge to my opinions.
I comment here because it is fun and interesting. Nothing more, nothing less. I don’t have people in real life who enjoy discussing things the way that we do on this website.
I don’t believe that I will convince anyone of anything. If it happens, that’s a bonus. I do hope to make people reconsider some ideas, just as I have reconsidered some myself.
KBells, you will have a job in the Chas administration. I look out for my friends, See AJ, tell him I sent you.
Not only is it important to know who the enemy is, but it’s important to know that you are at war.
“In 1993, the United States Department of Justice was not merely the point of Amerca’s counterterrorism spear, it was the spear. Period. The enemy was at war. Jihadists had made that exquisitely clear, in word as well as deed. Our response was to call out not the marines, but the prosecutors.”
Willful Blindness, p 4.
But Corrie Ten Boom was talking about spiritual warfare. It applies there also. Eph. 6:12
Chas #17
We need to be reminded and reminded often of how inappropriate our “let the lawyers handle it” approach to jihadi fanaticism was/is.
But I’d also add that terrorism–as an unconventional warfare tactic– is not generally best fought and defeated by conventional “us-vs-the-Russkies” -style heavy units.
You dont send a steam shovel out to catch a field mouse when a cat can do the job as effectively. Of course, steam shovels tend to create more jobs!
Sawgunner, I think you said you were being pinned for Major this month. Is that so?
The war we are fighting is unconventional. They are using our own Constitution against us. We can’t violate the Constitution to fight back, but we can listen to them, identify them, disrupt them, and take the war to them.
Willful Blindness tells about an informer we had in their midst. He saved the lives of thousands of New Yorkers. The Terrorist Hunter visited their mosques and heard their sermons recruiting for jihad.
NO, it was O-6, you’re being pinned for.
I’d love to say I post because I am hopeful that I can persuade others to my way of thinking. But if you’re posting here, it’s probably because you already have an opinion. So whatever I say won’t make much difference to you because you’ve already made up your mind. Nevertheless, I do nurture hope to persuade someone.
But the other reason I post here is to have discussion with others that don’t have the same opinions as I do. This discussion provides at least three things; 1) a perspective from the “other” side of the fence, and 2) personal growth in the area of debate and 3) a challenge to my own thinking.
In other words I hope to learn from the rest of you in the midst of spouting off my own opinions.
I post because I can. This ain’t China after all.
Friends,
The following is an email/comment I left to Ilana Mercer’s re her WorldNetDaily article on Obama’s religion. You can read her article here:
http://tinyurl.com/6prdjw
Ms. Mercer,
I’ve done extensive research into religion & the American Presidency over the past few years (and published in First Things and the Liberty Magazine on the matter) and can attest the kind of “Christianity” that Obama believes in (sans its alleged Muslim component) is par for the course for the American Presidency.
Indeed what you describe as “Christianity” — we can term it “orthodox Christianity” — is, if anything, more anathema to the American Presidency. As you wrote:
“Christian doctrine decrees that embracing Jesus Christ as personal savior is the only road to redemption. Jesus said, ‘I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.’ Obama disagrees. He, the Holy Son, says: ‘There are many paths to the same place.’ Is that Christianity? Apparently so in post-Christian America.”
To the contrary, this unorthodox theology is the “Christianity” that forms America’s Founding civil religion, the one without question believed in by John Adams and Thomas Jefferson and probably George Washington and James Madison. Abraham Lincoln likewise believed in something similar. And, as far as I can tell, John McCain is a nominal Christian who probably doesn’t believe embracing Jesus Christ as personal savior is the only road to redemption.
Though you may have a point that arguably this belief system is not “Christianity.” As such America’s key Founders and Lincoln were not “Christians” but something else.
Kbells,
First off you should probably tell us what kind of position you would like in the Chas “08 admin.
What are you good at, and what do you like doing?
We still have plenty of positions left so I’m sure we could accomodate you. Let us know soon though, because this campaign is expanding daily, and I’d hate for you to not get the position you’d prefer.
Sawgunner,
Don’t get too comfy in your new station. Once Chas is elected, you’ll be Sec. of Defense.
Joe B.,
Lynn says you’re a sailor? How’s Sec. of the Navy sound? If your interested you should contact Cheryl D., Chas’ Chief of Staff.
And Kyle A,
What position or appointment would interest you?
We could certainly use a man like you somewhere.
I have to go now. It seems Lumpy has returned from Gitmo, and is bashing that old guy McCain again. I’m starting to think rendition was the right call in his case, but I tried to be nice. I’m gonna have to knock that off if I’m to be effective at the CIA. You know our motto at the CIA, “nice guys get disappeared”. I can’t be setting a bad example for the other agents.
You are correct THE REAL AJ. I was a sailor. Here is the chain of command for the Navy:
http://www.humoretc.com/mhcontent/naval.html
Paula (way back at #12), you mentioned Same Kind of Different As Me. I read that recently and was also wondering about Lynn’s involvement in the writing. That was a moving story, powerfully told.
I just loaned my copy of the book to one of my nephews, aged 20-something, who likes to befriend people who look like they could use a friend, take them home and feed them, etc. He often shares the gospel as well. I’m really looking forward to hearing his thoughts about the book.
LOL, that was good Joe B..
You’ll do just fine as Sec. of the Navy. Welcome aboard.
I laughed this morning when I read the (supposedly unbiased) AP newspaper article in my local newspaper about the fact McCain has now pulled even with Barry in the national polls “as a result of” his “attacks on the character” of Obama.
It seems the MSM is just as hypersensitive as some of our resident liberals when it comes to criticism and analysis of their actions.
RN, to answer your question about “why post?”: I post if I think I have something worth contributing
, but I rarely get into back-and-forth discussions.
I participate also for the sense of community: I can “meet” and listen to people from all over the place, geographically, philosophically and otherwise, without leaving home.
A.J., For 19 years I produced cheap Christian’s television. I once reproduce the battle of Orleans for about eight-fifty.
However, for the past two years I have spent the majority of my time trying to keep a strong-willed, adventurous preschooler alive. So, maybe something in budgeting or security.
I’m getting forgetful in my old age. I forgot my position in the new administration….
#13 Randon,
I would suggest you give it a permanent rest. No one caes but you and that should tell you somewthing. If it doeasn’t then, I will recommend a shrink who specializes in electro-shock treatments for things worse than being a pest.
I like to post when I think I am funny. Drill is the acknowledged humorist though, not me.
Oh well, my students rarely got my jokes. Maybe I’m not as funny as I think.
I also like to post stupid questions.
When I read an obviously stupid statement, I often ask the stupid question. Most of the time I don’t get answers. I guess the poster doesn’t like to admit his stupidity.
Sorry it took me so long to get back to my post from Saturday on teh new nationalization of the mortgage industy by the left.
Fourth, the nitwits placeded a tax, you heard me a tax on mortages to create a slush fund that gthey can give away to whom ever their buiddies are at the time ro create afordable housing. Tjhis moemy is for politicians and community activists (read socialist whack jobs). Thi is on top of all the money they steal in earmarks and the money they personally make off of them. These people are truly evil. We should just get rid of these croolks once and for all.
DId anyone see the FOX NEws Special this weekend on all the money our elected officials made off of earmarks they sponsored that went dirrectly to their family and friends and how much they too personally made off of them?
Why these people are not in jail is beyond me. You would be if you did these things.
Random:
I post when I feel I have something worthwhile to say. I lurk when I don’t. I read WMB because, on the whole, it provides:
1)Interesting topics
2)A variety of opinions
3)Civil discourse
4)A fair ammount of humor
As far as why people post when they know there is little chance of changing minds, I see a few reasons:
1)They enjoy annoying/frustrating those who disagree with them (not the best reason, but a reason nonetheless.)
2)They realize the best way to strenghten one’s belief is to subject it to criticism, and then answer the criticism in turn
3)They realize that changing minds will do nothing, and instead hope (and pray) that their posts might be used to change hearts
4)Duty. (Thanks, Make it Man)
MIM,
You’re the Sec of Interior. So you can cut down any tree you want.
Kbells,
OK, so you can be part of the Press Committee. And maybe we could add in Head of WhiteHouse Security as well.
Llama,
It’s how the system works. And we at the Chas “08 campaign plan on making good use of it. When in Rome and all, ya know.
Llama - If no one cared about Random’s question, no one would bother answering.
RN,
You may be thinking of Sawgunner, who used to post under a different (more specific) name.
Ooh, I didn’t see the 7/22 WV thread (out of town), but I humbly accept the SC nomination and fully back the slate as presented!
There seems to something wrong with the Mt. Soledad thread. Has anyone tried to post on it recently?
Nevermind.
I have read all of today’s comments by people saying why they post with interest and appreciation, and consider the reasons provided sensible and thoughtful.
JBH,
that’s funny! I’d forgotten about that comic.
OK, I’ve been tweeking the rendition list. And I don’t really see any way around it, Pelosi’s name must be added. I know, I know, you think that’s kinda harsh. I thought so too, until I read this at The Swamp, from the Tribune’s Washington Bureau. It’s from This week with George Stepalloverus.
http://tinyurl.com/55td42
MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Except that it’s not just Republicans calling for this. Members of your own caucus say we must have a vote. Congressman Jason Altmire — let me show our viewers right now — is saying there’s going to be a vote. Here he says exactly, “there’s going to be a vote. September 30th will not come and go without a vote on opening the outer continental shelf. The message has been delivered. The issue can’t be ignored any longer.” He says he speaks for a lot of Democrats. He’s talked to the leadership, and a vote must happen.
REP. PELOSI: Well, maybe it will as it’s part of a larger energy package. But let’s step back, call a halt, and put this in perspective. What we have now is a failed energy policy by the Bush- Cheney, two oilmen in the White House — $4-a-gallon gasoline at the pump. And what they’re saying is, let’s have more of the same. Let’s have more of big oil making record profits, historic profits — you see the quarterly reports that just came out — who want to be subsidized — they don’t really want to compete — and let them use those subsidies to drill in protected areas.
Instead, we’re saying, free the oil. Use it, don’t lose it. There are 68 million acres in lower 48 and 10 or 20 million more acres in Alaska where they’re permitted, where they can drill anytime. This is a diversionary tactic from a failed energy policy.
MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: But if you feel you have the better arguments, why not give a straight up-or-down vote for drilling?
REP. PELOSI: Because the misrepresentation is being made that this is going to reduce the price at the pump. This is a, again, a decoy. It’s not a solution.
MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, but if you’re right, why not let it be debated out and have the vote?
REP. PELOSI: We have a debate every single day on this subject. What you saw in the Congress this week was the war dance of the hand maidens of the oil companies. That’s what you saw on the Republican side of the aisle. Democrats and Republicans are not right down party lines on this issue. There are regional concerns as well as some people concerned about what this means back home for them. But we have a planet to save. We have an economy to grow. And we can do that if we keep our balance in all of this, and not just say, but for drilling in unprotected — in these protected areas offshore, we would have lower gas prices.
MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: So what exactly are you trying to say? You say you might allow a vote as part of a comprehensive package, but you won’t allow a straight up-or-down vote on drilling oil?
REP. PELOSI: Well, I’m not going to — we have put on the floor free our oil; strong bipartisan support for that. Use it don’t lose it; strong bipartisan support for that. End undue speculation; strong bipartisan support for that. We’ve talked about these things. Invest in renewable energy resources so that we can increase the supply of energy for our country; strong bipartisan support for that. Over and over again –
MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: And yet, you’ve brought those measures to the floor in a way under the suspension of the rules so that it couldn’t be amended with a drilling proposal.
REP. PELOSI: Well, we built consensus and have a strong bipartisan — this is what’s going to make a difference to reduce our dependence on foreign oil, to stop our dependence on fossil fuels in our own country, to increase the supply of energy into — and immediately, and immediately to reduce the price at the pump to protect the consumer.
So this is a policy matter. This is very serious policy matter.
It’s not to use a tactic of — one tactic in order to undermine a comprehensive energy package, to reduce our dependence on foreign oil, which is a national security issue, to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels in our country. Now, we should be talking about natural gas. That’s cheaper, better for the environment.
MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: But why not allow votes on all that? When you came in as speaker, you promised in your commitment book, “A New Direction for America” — let me show our viewers — you said that bills should generally come to the floor under a procedure that allows open, full, and fair debate consisting of a full amendment process that grants the minority the right to offer its alternatives. If they want to offer a drilling proposal, why can’t they have a vote?
Anyone who can waste that much time, and that many words, and still not answer the question, needs to become America’s #1 export. It’s for the good of the country.
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows the race for the White House is tied with Barack Obama and John McCain each attracting 44% of the vote. However, when “leaners” are included, it’s McCain 47% and Obama 46%.
This morning I did something naughty but quite fun. National Wildlife Federation called me, and the moment the man said, “President Bush is at it again…” my antenna went up. NWF is hardly a pro-Republican organization. (I subscribe to its magazine from time to time, the years it’s cheap, because I like the animal pictures, but these days every single issue focuses on global warming, which is a bit of overkill for any one topic.)
Anyway, what he said is that President Bush is encouraging drilling in ANWR, and, pretending not to realize that he thought he was calling me with “bad news,” I burst out, “Wonderful! About time! Fabulous! Praise God!”
Well, obviously, that wasn’t the response he was looking for, but he sort of recovered with, “Well, that won’t bring gas prices down…” (clearly a dumb statement–gas prices came down these last two weeks even with the talk about such things.
I said, “Actually it will.” With a big smile in my voice I said, “A lot of us have been watching a long time for them to do this. Wow.” So then he told me he could connect me to Senator so-and-so’s office to tell him I oppose…or approve (the last added a bit as an afterthought), and I said sure, and I did.
Palestinians donate $29,500 to Obama
Gazan brothers’ illegal contributions listed in government election filings
August 04, 2008
By Aaron Klein
JERUSALEM – Palestinian brothers inside the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip are listed in government election filings as having donated $29,521.54 to Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign.
The donations would violate election laws, including prohibitions on receiving donations from foreigners and guidelines against accepting more than $2,300 from one individual during a single election, Bob Biersack, a spokesman for the Federal Election Commission, told WND in response to a query.
WHY would this SURPRISE ANYONE!
Victoria, someone was surprised?
Seriously, I read about the new Gallup poll which puts McCain and Obama neck in neck (I hope that’s the expression), but when the question was asked of those LIKELY to vote, McCain surpassed Obama by quite a wide margin. So, it still ain’t over ’til it’s over.
I hate to admit this, but there’s an eensy weensy teeny weeny part of me that actually wants Obama to win so that people in our country will wake up as to how badly we’ve fallen. If McCain wins, I’m afraid people will just ho hum like they’ve done with the Bush Dynasty and go back to sleep.
NJL, it’s going to be a long hot/cold summer. It does appear that people are waking up rather fast, they aren’t sleeping as once believed.
Victoria, is there a way we can legally get Bianca to bite her tongue?
52 - I know, I deserved that.
NJL,
NO
I think Victoria’s more interested in my entire head.
Random (#14),
I don’t know who the “person in the military in Iraq who posted regularly” is, and neither do I have any recent information on what has happened to the “young woman who was going through military training to be an officer,” but I do remember her name, if that helps. It’s Sarah Rode. Hm, I think I just took a paragraph to say what could have been said in one sentence. Sadly, something I can do fairly well is fill a page up with words that pretty much don’t mean anything, when it “page” (spoken or written) can be condensed to just a few sentences. I’m working on that, though.
The only military guy I remember was someone named Brad, but I don’t remember his last name.
“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed — and hence clamorous to be led to safety — by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”
H.L. Menken
Isn’t Brad Sawgunner?
Bianca, be careful what you wish for!
My friends, get off The Double-Talk Express!
John McCain vs. John McSame
59 - Maybe
60 LOL
Actually, I think quite a few conservatives actually think that. (Obama becoming president will “wake everyone up) I’m not sure… McCain is a liberal, but Obama is even worse (much worse, actually), and then many people want socialism (”I want other people to pay for the things I want”), so they may not “wake up.” And even if they do, it might be too late… if he tries to ban firearms or do other outrageous stuff like that.
#56
I often go on too long. I will follow your model to improve.
63 - Yeah, I’ve thought about all that too. No matter who wins, there’s going to be more trouble than we can shake a stick at. God’s in charge of it all, and His unchanging Word and His salvation are our peace.
McSame has a working class whites problem.
“But even among white workers — a group of voters that has been targeted by both parties as a key to victory in November — Obama leads McCain by 10 percentage points, 47 percent to 37 percent, and has the advantage as the more empathetic candidate.”
Days after John McSame flip flopped on offshore drilling he received $285,000 in donations from ten Hess Corporation executives and family members.
Not a bad haul for a day working for Big Oil.
Sawgunner = Brad
Hess Corporation Executives and family members donate $285,000.00 to McCain.
Even the office manager chipped in $28,500.00 for McSame.
August 04, 2008
It’s not particularly surprising that oil executives at the Hess Corporation got a little excited when John McCain changed his position on offshore drilling back in June, but as Talking Points Memo reported Monday, the Hess brass apparently demonstrated their gratitude (cue cash register sound effects here) by writing some big checks to the McCain campaign.
Ten Hess Oil Execs and Family Members donate $285,000 more to McBush
WHY would this SURPRISE ANYONE!
Tony Perkins, President of the pro-family conservative Family Research Council has some straight talk for the McCain campaign when it comes to the growing controversy over his position on gay adoption. McCain said in an interview he’s against gay adoption but his campaign muddied the waters afterwards when they tried to clarify and soften his position. To get up to speed on the story click here.
Perkins tells The Brody File the following through email:
“There is nothing “straight talking” about the McCain campaign’s response to the Senator’s statements on homosexual adoption. I hope he’s able to get everyone on his staff on the right side of the road!”
Something smells bad in the back of the Double-Talk Express.
It turns out that the Hess Corporation “office manager” and her husband, an Amtrak employee who are renters, BOTH gave McSame $28,500 on the same day the Hess Execs and family members donated. Where these people who don’t even own a home came up with $57,000.00 cash to donate to a political campaign is a BIG question.
Grandpa McSame has something stinky hidden in the back of his bus, and it isn’t the bucket under his potty chair.
“who are renters” “who don’t even own a home”
Godlumps — you would be amazed at what some renters have in their bank accounts.
4696 American Service Members have died in the wars. So far.
Mr. Lumps,
Is the stink on the Hess Corporation or on McCain?
Rio, I doubt Obama can ban firearms in light of the recent Supreme Court opinion.
NJLAWYER-
You are right. I would be VERY surprised if a lower level office worker and her Amtrak employee husband renting in a lower middle class neighborhood had a spare $58,000.00 sitting around to donate to McBush. That happens to be the average annual income for their zip code.
My friends, there’s something stinky on the Double-Talk Express.
Our dog died this afternoon. He was on antibiotics because the vet thought the reason for his occasional incontinence was an infection. This morning when he got his medicine he didn’t eat his treat. This afternoon my husband called me to say Duke had gone in the hallway. A few minutes later he called and said Duke had thrown up, while we were on the phone he called and Duke didn’t come. Then he suddenly told me to come home immediately, we had to get Duke to the (dog) hospital.
I think Duke was probably dead before I got out the door. We did our best to say good-bye after the fact, I don’t know if it would have been any easier or worse if I said good-bye and then saw him die.
Pauline,
I’m sad to hear that. I’m not sure if God exists. But if He does, then I absolutely believe in doggy heaven.
So sorry, Pauline. My husband and son are still ot over our Border Collie.
Pauline, I’m so sorry. It hurts so much to lose a wonderful pet.
Love, Victoria
Pauline, it is very sad when a beloved pet dies. They are an important part of many of our lives.
Pauline, been there. My sympathies. I’m sure Duke provided you and your family with years of good memories. I can’t imagine a heaven without our buddies.
Pauline,
I’m crying with you.
It is hard to type with tears welling up.
Lumps
I have known people who were multi million-airs, who lived in bungalows, it was their choice. The particular couple I’m referring to in this post decided to move from their small house in a run down neighborhood into an upper class residential area. Big home, terraced gardens below, etc. They had gone to Hawaii a few times but then decided to go to Europe, and purchased a Mercedes in Germany. They then took a 6 months tour of every country they could think of in Europe.
Yep they could afford it, we were only a very small few who knew how very wealthy they were.
Things aren’t always the way they appear.
Pauline,
My heart goes out to you and your family. Losing a pet is heartbreaking.
Pauline: I am sorry. We lost our senior collie about two months ago; his passing was long and agonizing on him and us too, so maybe a quicker passing was better for Duke. But not for you, I know.
I believe in a Heaven filled with children and dogs - the best vision (as convoluted as it is) is C.S. Lewis’s the Last Battle - so Duke (and our Star, too) are going further in and further up, just like those dogs in that great tale.
I know that is theologically suspect by many, but I don’t really care.
Vic0-
See. You always reply to my posts. ThANK yOu.
Did your millionaire friends work as office workers and Amtrak employees too
Lumps
You have as much information as you’re getting.
Just to set the record straight, I rarely read your posts.
Pauline: so sorry to hear of Duke’s passing. I said a little prayer that you and the family will be consoled by God’s love. I too, know the feeling……….
My aunt, who lives next door, just got another doggie, a mini schnauzer (8 weeks old as of 2 weeks ago)……and she named him “DUKE”.
Jon Rowe @ # 78…..Yes, my friend, God does exist. Not only that but I also believe He has a part of the real Heaven that will have pets and animals of all kinds (Isaiah 65).
Pauline,
I too am sorry to hear that. My favorite brother just had to put down his old dog, and we had more than one conversation in which he could hardly speak. It’s a difficult thing to lose a pet, and I already dread it with my dog though it’s probably a decade away.
Pauline,
I know how much that hurts–know that I’m praying for you and I’m sorry.
Thank you all for your expressions of caring. It’s the first time I’ve lost a dog this way. I didn’t grow up with dogs, and it took some getting used to when I married a “dog person.”
We had to put down one dog who started biting people, and gave away a dog we had gotten from the pound that didn’t work out. But this is the longest I have had a dog (about 8 years), and the first one who picked me as “his person.” Sometimes I got tired of having him follow me everywhere, but he was the nicest dog I’ve known. All he ever wanted was food, water, walking, and lots of love. Occasionally we got annoyed when he got in the way or stepped on a bare foot or knocked a network cable loose (he even chewed through a cable one time). But mostly he just wanted to have someone pet him and scritch him and just be there with him.
Our younger son doesn’t think he ever wants a pet again because he doesn’t want to have a pet die. I told him we’ll get another dog sometime, but we don’t have to right away.
Pauline, so sorry to hear of the loss of your pet. I know it hurts your heart.
Pauline,
I’m sorry to hear of your family’s loss. I know it’s hard. I have a 17yr old cat, named Suzy-Moo, who’s health is failing. We’re dealing with when will be the right time to have her put to sleep. It’s probably one of the hardest decisions I’ve ever had to make. I know how you feel, and will pray for you and yours.
And as for the “do dogs and cats go to heaven question”, how could you call it heaven if they don’t?
Pauline - I am so, so sorry for your sad loss. Pets really do become part of the family & are such a wonderful gift from God. But their loss is so very painful.
I still remember & miss the dog I grew up with, Boots, who was the very bestest dog in the world.
So sorry, Pauline. I still remember when we had to put down our big Alaskan Malamute 5 years ago - I cried and cried.
Thanks for proving my point Vic0
Ann Taylor closing 117 stores nationwide.
Eddie Bauer to close more stores after closing 27 stores in the first quarter.
Cache, a women’s retailer is closing 20 to 23 stores this year.
Lane Bryant, Fashion Bug, Catherines closing 150 stores nationwide
Talbots, J. Jill closing stores. Talbots will close all 78 of its kids and men’s stores plus another 22 underperforming stores. The 22 stores will be a mix of Talbots women’s and J. Jill.
Gap Inc. closing 85 stores
Foot Locker to close 140 stores
Wickes Furniture is going out of business and closing all of its stores. The 37-year-old retailer that targets middle-income customers, filed for bankruptcy protection last month.
Levitz - the furniture retailer, announced it was going out of business and closing all 76 of its stores in December. The retailer dates back to 1910.
Zales, Piercing Pagoda plans to close 82 stores by July 31 followed by closing another 23 underperforming stores.
Disney Store owner has the right to close 98 stores.
Home Depot store closings 15 of them amid a slumping US economy and housing market. The move will affect 1,300 employees. It is the first time the world’s largest home improvement store chain has ever closed a flagship store.
CompUSA (CLOSED).
Macy’s - 9 stores closed
Movie Gallery – video rental company plans to close 400 of 3,500 Movie Gallery
and Hollywood Video stores in addition to the 520 locations the video rental
chain closed last fall as part of bankruptcy.
Pacific Sunwear - 153 Demo stores closing
Pep Boys - 33 stores of auto parts supplier closing
Sprint Nextel - 125 retail locations to close with 4,000 employees following 5,000 layoffs last year.
J. C. Penney, Lowe’s and Office Depot are all scaling back
Ethan Allen Interiors: plans to close 12 of 300 stores to cut costs.
Wilsons the Leather Experts – closing 158 stores
Bombay Company: to close all 384 U.S.-based Bombay Company stores.
KB Toys closing 356 stores around the United States as part of its bankruptcy reorganization.
Dillard’s Inc. will close another six stores this year.
OH NO! We’re all going to die!
I too wish our pets could come to heaven with us. To suggest they do is not Biblically based, but an understandable earthly desire we shall overcome when we are with the Lord. May Pauline be grateful for the time the He has given her with her wonderful dog.
http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/pets_in_heaven.html
Yes we are all going to die RIO. And those of us who have accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as our Savior will be forever with Him. Hope to see you there.
The whole “do dogs and cats go to heaven” thing causes me some concern. I lost a cat about a year ago that might not have made it. He wasn’t always a good kitty.
# 46 Victoria — don’t get to excited all Obama has to do is keep the same states Kerry won and add New Mexico, Iowa and Colorado. The first two look to be a given and Colorado looks to be in his grasp. He doesn’t even need Ohio, Indiana and Florida.
Check http://www.270towin.com/
HRW
Don’t worry about it, you can’t vote!
Oy! What a thread today. And to think only one person mentioned that our Beloved Benevolent Dictator is back in her place! Welcome back Lynn!!!
Chas: Several months ago, another person here started a presidential campaign and promised me an ambassadorship to a Spanish speaking/warm climate country. Will there be room in your administration for an American born Puerto Ricans? You do need the Hispanic vote, after all. So, I’ll campaign for you in Puerto Rican and in other Hispanic areas if I can have some job in your admin. Not only can I help you in those areas, but I was born and raised in Arizona (steal some of McCain’s votes there), live in Missouri (an important swing state) and work in Illinois (BO’s stomping grounds). Of course, the “messiah” is from Chicago, and I work in a conservative, down state county, so I don’t think I could really help much in Illinois.
Didn’t McCain vote against MLK Day in Arizona?
Didn’t Grandpa McForgetful last week say he supported MLK day in Arizona?
Can he have it both ways with Loyal Bushies?
Of course. They are Loyal Bushies. They support whoever they are told to support.
Godlumps,
I don’t know about McCain and MLK Day, but I do know that whole situation was more complicated than anyone outside Arizona understood. Arizona was seen as a racist state, but the reality is that it was placed on the ballot yes or no, did we want to have Washington’s birthday and Lincoln’s birthday combined into one holiday, President’s Day, and then add MLK Day. Voters overwhelmingly voted no. Then some politicians decided to do it anyway, at which voters (and our new governor, Evan Mecham) rightfully objected.
From where I sat, it had nothing to do with racism–voters simply didn’t see ML King as more important than two presidents, and voted no, and some politicians decided it would help their political careers to override the will of the people and push the new holiday in anyway. Eventually, of course, it passed, but the rest of the country got only a condensed version of the story as it happened.
Again, I don’t know what happened with McCain. If he was even in politics at that point, I’d never heard of him. But it could be true that he voted no to the illegal abuse of power vote, and then voted yes when the vote was done in a more legal fashion. (I think I had moved from Arizona by the time it was made legal, or was in the process of moving, so frankly I’m not sure how it all eventually became a holiday. But the illegal stuff I remember well, since I had just voted for the first time–for Evan Mecham–and followed the whole mess quite closely.)
I hope that I don’t come across as harsh and vitriolic. Stupid and uneducated, OK. Unbending or wrong. But I shall try not to vent my spleen just because I think the other guy is wrong or stupid.
Of course I will fail occasionally, but friends, let me know if I fall off the deep end and start unloading and showing spite and malice. I would like to keep some kind of Christian witness.
“He who has ears, let him hear.”
Cheryl-
Allow me to share some facts and McCain’s remarks last Friday. He is LYING. Again.
McCain’s Votes:
* FACT: McCain Supported Republican AZ Governor’s Decision To Rescind MLK Holiday. ABC News reported, “In Arizona, a bill to recognize a holiday honoring MLK failed in the legislature, so then-Gov. Bruce Babbitt, a Democrat, declared one through executive order. In January 1987, the first act of Arizona’s new governor, Republican Evan Mecham, was to rescind the executive order by his predecessor to create an MLK holiday. Arizona’s stance became a national controversy. McCain backed the decision at the time.” [ABC News, 4/3/08]
* FACT: McCain Supported Gov. Evan Mecham’s Decision In 1987 To Rescind Martin Luther King Jr. Day. As reported by the Philadelphia Inquirer, “In a vote likely to haunt him for the rest of his public career, McCain voted against 1983 legislation establishing the third Monday in January as the federal holiday marking King’s birthday. Back home in Arizona, he supported Gov. Evan Mecham’s decision in 1987 to rescind an executive order creating a state holiday for King, but later reversed his position.” [Philadelphia Inquirer, 6/16/08]
* FACT: McCain Voted Against Creating Martin Luther King Holiday. In 1983, McCain voted against a motion to suspend the rules and pass a bill to designate the third Monday of every January as a federal holiday in honor of the late civil rights leader, the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. The motion passed 89-77. [HR 3706, Vote 289, 8/2/83; CQ 1983]
Video of McCain LYING AGAIN on Aug. 1, 2008
McSame is a Liar First Class.
“He who has ears, let him hear.”
I hope you have ears, Bob. A lot of McBushies have plugged theirs.
Godlumps, considering that the executive order was wrong, I applaud anyone who had the courage to stand up against it. I don’t like McCain much, but you’ve just given me something in his “plus” column. (I can’t watch video on my computer, so I’ll pass on the link.) Again, I think when it actually went through as a holiday, it was done legally that time, so he might well have voted differently the second time.
Godlumps: You say you are not a Democrat, but occasionally claim that you are a Libertarian.
Yet you continually smear the Republican candidate, laud the Democrat candidate, and absolutely never offer a single Libertarian argument or position on any issue, that I recall - only the standard Democrat attack lines that one can pick up off the usual DNC smear and slander sites.
Why is that? I am curious. Are you sure you have yourself labeled right? Do you know anything at all about Libertarian ideas or positions? Are you able to articulate them?
I know some fine Libertarians, and they generally are a bit more cerebral and independent than the average leftist stooge working for the DNC, which is why I ask.
Just wondering.
Drill,
This is a McBushie website where there is usually a thread per day dealing with Obamessiah’s crazyness. There are few if any discussing McBush’s lies, flip flops and lack of ability.
Cheryl-
The point is McCain is LYING AGAIN. If that helps you to like him more, so be it. I expect nothing less of all Loyal Bushies.
McBush has picked his McCheney.
“Anonymous sources deep inside the McCain campaign have given us an exclusive first-look at the candidate’s choice for Vice President: Sen. Ted Stevens of Alaska.”